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Post by jimc on Oct 10, 2018 13:50:48 GMT
Can we all agree that was an awful trade and stupid contract extension? When not playing with Kane and Panarin, he is the steaming pile he has always been...he is slow and shitty...and worthless defensively, so when you combine that with his total inability to create offense on his own, he really is a worthless turd...another stund special.
Better yet, he seems to be mentoring Schmaklz this year...especially on faceoffs.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 10, 2018 14:00:28 GMT
5 years at the time, before even having played a shift with the Hawks, was outrageous. Only looks worse now as he has little to zero trade value.
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Post by lari on Oct 10, 2018 14:08:37 GMT
I agree with the sentiment that he is not that great, but... ..this I disagree with. Outside of Toews, he is the Hawks' best defensive forward. He checks his man and is difficult to beat. In the offensive zone he isn't going to generate offense. But he can be the screen guy. Essentially he is just overpaid. A good 3rd line center. He'd be a very good one if he could win faceoffs.
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Post by jrsamu on Oct 10, 2018 14:27:53 GMT
The trade was awful based on Saad version 1 (you could argue it doesn't look that bad with the in-process Saad version 2) The contract extension was a big, ill-advised bet that has not paid off. And saddled the team with another contract above value that cost them other assets and opportunities. No question.
I do think he can be/is a valuable member of the team at a lower salary. He is slow but has pterodactyl reach that at least partially compensates. He is a big forward and a factor in the offensive crease and boards, with decent hands to score off rebounds. The work in the tough areas is substantially absent from the rest of this team and roster, so he really is of value IMO for that alone.
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Post by khawk20 on Oct 10, 2018 14:34:38 GMT
Agreed, the signing was a gamble that Stan lost...and I think most here thought the same at the time.
Shit like that is why we need Stan gone to really start rebuilding. Put Stan as a scout or something. Right now, we are one similar move away from the Hawks being irrelevant for the next decade. The hole is already gonna be tough to climb out of.
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Post by jimc on Oct 10, 2018 14:35:39 GMT
5 years at the time, before even having played a shift with the Hawks, was outrageous. Only looks worse now as he has little to zero trade value. This, exactly...the extension, sight unseen, was idiotic...it was simply a case of McD and Stund patting themselves on the back and shoving him down our throats
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Post by jimc on Oct 10, 2018 14:38:38 GMT
I agree with the sentiment that he is not that great, but... ..this I disagree with. Outside of Toews, he is the Hawks' best defensive forward. He checks his man and is difficult to beat. In the offensive zone he isn't going to generate offense. But he can be the screen guy. Essentially he is just overpaid. A good 3rd line center. He'd be a very good one if he could win faceoffs. See...I disagree...he came to the Hawks as an alleged defensive stalwart..but that part of his game never materialized as he tried to focus on an offensive role and was far too slow to get back up ice with his teammates to be effective in the defensive zone...now he appears too slow to catch up with the puck in either the O or D zone
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Post by Merpes on Oct 10, 2018 15:07:39 GMT
At least he's not Karpo. There sure have been worse Russians the Hawks have rostered in previous seasons. Seems like a solid teammate. Hawks will still get a 1st rounder for him at the TDL in 2 years time.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 10, 2018 15:34:35 GMT
At least he's not Karpo. There sure have been worse Russians the Hawks have rostered in previous seasons. Seems like a solid teammate. Hawks will still get a 1st rounder for him at the TDL in 2 years time. Stan is going to be GM of another team in 2 years?
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Post by lari on Oct 10, 2018 16:27:25 GMT
I agree with the sentiment that he is not that great, but... ..this I disagree with. Outside of Toews, he is the Hawks' best defensive forward. He checks his man and is difficult to beat. In the offensive zone he isn't going to generate offense. But he can be the screen guy. Essentially he is just overpaid. A good 3rd line center. He'd be a very good one if he could win faceoffs. See...I disagree...he came to the Hawks as an alleged defensive stalwart..but that part of his game never materialized as he tried to focus on an offensive role and was far too slow to get back up ice with his teammates to be effective in the defensive zone...now he appears too slow to catch up with the puck in either the O or D zone He is deceptive. A guy that size does not need to move his feet much and he still gains ground quick enough. Besides, defense isn't about being fast. He stays in the right places and wins puck battles and breaks up plays. He looks very smart and comfortable in the defensive zone. Helps the D by covering a lot of ground.
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Post by jimc on Oct 10, 2018 18:24:03 GMT
He has never been worth a first rd pick...and he will be in 2 years?
Ugh
But hes over 40% on faceoffs!
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Post by Merpes on Oct 10, 2018 19:13:54 GMT
He has never been worth a first rd pick...and he will be in 2 years? Ugh But hes over 40% on faceoffs! Stan got a 1st and a prospect for Ryan Hartman. AA will fetch a 1st if Stan is selling. GMs get ideas of parades and glory in their heads around the TDL.
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Post by garyu on Oct 10, 2018 19:15:17 GMT
He has never been worth a first rd pick...and he will be in 2 years? Ugh But hes over 40% on faceoffs!A personal best?
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Post by Merpes on Oct 10, 2018 19:42:50 GMT
He has never been worth a first rd pick...and he will be in 2 years? Ugh But hes over 40% on faceoffs!A personal best? Yanic Perreault is good, but he isn't a miracle worker.
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Post by lari on Oct 10, 2018 20:25:44 GMT
I still don't understand how Perreault is on their payroll, yet shows up to work like two afternoons a year.
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