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Post by garyu on Nov 13, 2018 20:45:43 GMT
Obviously this roster isn't winning a cup, but Q had to go. He's not the right coach to develop these kids. Full stop. Ice time leaders last night on defense: Gustafsson: 25:43 Jokiharju: 24:19 Keith: 22:31 Seabrook: 19:49 Rutta: 16:37 Davidson: 12:23 Keith and Seabrook were basically used as the 2nd pairing last night. Would that have happened at any point under Q? I also thought the forward lines were very effective. Again, Seabrook can go fuck himself. He cost them that game. Lazy sack of shit. Problem...most of these 'kids' fucking blow...so featuring them isnt going to work out very well. Perhaps, but 'Lose for Hughes' gets closer all the time. |
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Post by markwojo on Nov 14, 2018 15:05:39 GMT
Problem...most of these 'kids' fucking blow...so featuring them isnt going to work out very well. Perhaps, but 'Lose for Hughes' gets closer all the time. I would rather see Joker, Forsling, and Gus logging 25 minutes then Keith/Seabs. Keith and Seabs are not getting any better (and likely only worse). Joker needs a year if not 2....but shows some promise of maybe being a top pairing guy. Forsling is probably at the fork in the road where Keith blossomed and Forsling either blossoms or sinks. Gus will be 27 before the season ends and most likely is what he is (not an NHL defenseman on a good team....well maybe a #6/7 as we've won Cups with certainly worse.) Force feed the kids minutes in hopes one or 2 develop and in the meantime losing a lot is more beneficial then winning occasionally since we most certainly will not be winning often enough to bother. Lose enough to land one of Hughes/Kakko/Kozens/Turcotte/Dach so we put a potential high impact forward into the pipeline and hope the next wave of D prospects already in the pipeline produces a legit top 2. We have the cap to add an impact player next off season (especially with Schmaltz looking less expensive by the day). Move any of Anismov/Murphy/Kunitz/Manning/Rutta at the deadline for prospects/picks and let the kids swim or more likely sink into a better draft slot. |
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Post by garyu on Nov 14, 2018 15:13:38 GMT
Perhaps, but 'Lose for Hughes' gets closer all the time. I would rather see Joker, Forsling, and Gus logging 25 minutes then Keith/Seabs. Keith and Seabs are not getting any better (and likely only worse). Joker needs a year if not 2....but shows some promise of maybe being a top pairing guy. Forsling is probably at the fork in the road where Keith blossomed and Forsling either blossoms or sinks. Gus will be 27 before the season ends and most likely is what he is (not an NHL defenseman on a good team....well maybe a #6/7 as we've won Cups with certainly worse.) Force feed the kids minutes in hopes one or 2 develop and in the meantime losing a lot is more beneficial then winning occasionally since we most certainly will not be winning often enough to bother. Lose enough to land one of Hughes/Kakko/Kozens/Turcotte/Dach so we put a potential high impact forward into the pipeline and hope the next wave of D prospects already in the pipeline produces a legit top 2. We have the cap to add an impact player next off season (especially with Schmaltz looking less expensive by the day). Move any of Anismov/Murphy/Kunitz/Manning/Rutta at the deadline for prospects/picks and let the kids swim or more likely sink into a better draft slot. Parts of this make a lot of sense. What are we holding on to? Wrong about Schmaltz though, Stan already has NUMBER in mind. |
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 16:12:31 GMT
Who would want to give up an asset for any of those turds mentioned above?
And any discussion of cap space right now is comical. Hawks have no business adding any expensive between pieces.
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Post by garyu on Nov 14, 2018 16:33:33 GMT
Who would want to give up an asset for any of those turds mentioned above? And any discussion of cap space right now is comical. Hawks have no business adding any expensive between pieces.Stan Bowman & Jim Hendry talk often... |
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Post by lari on Nov 14, 2018 18:11:38 GMT
So... move Manning (@ $2.25m) for a prospect/pick, you say?
Wouldn't you need to add to even get the very last pick in the draft. Assuming you're not dealing with complete idiots, you'd need a sweetener to get nothing back.
I think you hold on to Manning, as he's a negative asset and the Hawks aren't in cap hell. Move Kane if you want something tangible in return, and to free up cap space.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 20:25:35 GMT
The hawks had no need to add sweeteners to move the Hossa deal when the did, so...stan bowman
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Post by gadi on Nov 14, 2018 20:39:01 GMT
If Manning can be sold for anything, even a 19th round draft pick, you do it. There was nothing invested in him besides cash and the amount paid already is negligible versus dumping his sorry ass & opening up a space for a kid/helping tank more.
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Post by markwojo on Nov 14, 2018 20:49:28 GMT
Yeah Manning we are stuck with for the duration in all likelihood and were the instant that deal was signed by Stunley. The others probably have some value....even a late pick to plug a kid in to evaluate them at the NHL level while losing for Hughes is a win win. Assuming Murphy comes back and plays healthy.....I think he, Anisimov, and Rutta are all 2nd-4th rounders in return. Worse centers/D have returned more.
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Post by garyu on Nov 14, 2018 20:51:49 GMT
Yeah Manning we are stuck with for the duration in all likelihood and were the instant that deal was signed by Stunley. The others probably have some value....even a late pick to plug a kid in to evaluate them at the NHL level while losing for Hughes is a win win. Assuming Murphy comes back and plays healthy.....I think he, Anisimov, and Rutta are all 2nd-4th rounders in return. Worse centers/D have returned more. Man, I hope you're right. |
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Post by markwojo on Nov 14, 2018 21:00:24 GMT
The hawks had no need to add sweeteners to move the Hossa deal when the did, so...stan bowman What sweetener did the Hawks add to Hossa? Hinostroza and Oseterle are either redundant pieces &/or NHL/AHL tweeners...as in not the answer to any question surrounding the Hawks. Entwhistle is better then a third. Kruger for a year of bad money is better then 3 years of Hossa bad money. |
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Post by brendan on Nov 15, 2018 0:29:21 GMT
what does money have to so with hawks ? they pay less ? it clearly isnt going to effect the roster in the next three years either way.
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Post by jimc on Nov 15, 2018 14:45:20 GMT
what does money have to so with hawks ? they pay less ? it clearly isnt going to effect the roster in the next three years either way. That's exactly it...hawks wont be in a position to spend to...or over...the cap, over the next 3 years. |
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Post by jimc on Nov 15, 2018 14:47:28 GMT
Yeah Manning we are stuck with for the duration in all likelihood and were the instant that deal was signed by Stunley. The others probably have some value....even a late pick to plug a kid in to evaluate them at the NHL level while losing for Hughes is a win win. Assuming Murphy comes back and plays healthy.....I think he, Anisimov, and Rutta are all 2nd-4th rounders in return. Worse centers/D have returned more. If those 3 are worth 2nd to 4th rounders (LOL), then so would have been Hino and Osterle...complete waste of assets to send them away for NOTHING. Total GM FAIL. |
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Post by garyu on Nov 15, 2018 15:37:43 GMT
You guyz are pretty rough on Lil' Stan.
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