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Post by Giovi on Dec 28, 2019 17:36:52 GMT
Fuck Chelios. Seabrook deserves it. Terrible thing to say about the Hawks next head coach Ban worthy.
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Post by garyu on Dec 28, 2019 18:21:07 GMT
chelios, big eddie and you all will have to go on without me... A considerable loss.
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Post by Giovi on Dec 28, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
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Post by HawkDad on Dec 28, 2019 19:33:54 GMT
Can't put #7 in the rafters at all then if you don't want Cheli's name to go with it. Him being a giant dickbag should have nothing to do with it. He's a Hall Of Famer and one of the best dmen to evr lace 'em up. Seabrook being a gem of a guy and great teammate is known, acknowledged, and well deserved. He was even a legit top pair dman is his own right when he was in his prime. But he's also not making The Hall ever, we know that to. Point is you can't retire a number and hang it from on high, when there was an even better player who wore that number before him. And if Chelios ever comes back as the Hawk bench boss, you munchers will be fine with it IF THE TEAM WINS, and you know that to.
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Post by garyu on Dec 28, 2019 20:07:37 GMT
Can't put #7 in the rafters at all then if you don't want Cheli's name to go with it. Him being a giant dickbag should have nothing to do with it. He's a Hall Of Famer and one of the best dmen to evr lace 'em up. Seabrook being a gem of a guy and great teammate is known, acknowledged, and well deserved. He was even a legit top pair dman is his own right when he was in his prime. But he's also not making The Hall ever, we know that to. Point is you can't retire a number and hang it from on high, when there was an even better player who wore that number before him. And if Chelios ever comes back as the Hawk bench boss, you munchers will be fine with it IF THE TEAM WINS, and you know that to. I must disagree. No question Chelios was a great player but qualifies him as an NHL Coach?
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Dec 28, 2019 20:10:47 GMT
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Post by brendan on Dec 28, 2019 20:10:47 GMT
if they didnt hang chelios number up already, idk if it should be now. seabrook isnt hhof but he is a for the hawks, which is where the number retirement comes in no? and you gutless pukes would me miss.
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Post by HawkDad on Dec 28, 2019 20:55:19 GMT
Can't put #7 in the rafters at all then if you don't want Cheli's name to go with it. Him being a giant dickbag should have nothing to do with it. He's a Hall Of Famer and one of the best dmen to evr lace 'em up. Seabrook being a gem of a guy and great teammate is known, acknowledged, and well deserved. He was even a legit top pair dman is his own right when he was in his prime. But he's also not making The Hall ever, we know that to. Point is you can't retire a number and hang it from on high, when there was an even better player who wore that number before him. And if Chelios ever comes back as the Hawk bench boss, you munchers will be fine with it IF THE TEAM WINS, and you know that to. I must disagree. No question Chelios was a great player but qualifies him as an NHL Coach? Nothing. But when has that ever stopped anybody ? remember the words of the great William Munny..."deserves got nuthin' to do with it"
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Dec 28, 2019 20:58:20 GMT
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Post by jimc on Dec 28, 2019 20:58:20 GMT
Seabrook isnt HHOF worthy but deserves his number retired.
You could make the same argument for Sharp.
And I think Larmer
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Post by khawk20 on Dec 28, 2019 20:59:30 GMT
I think the bar on who gets into the HHOF is low enough Brent gets considered, believe it or not. Likely doesn't get in but who knows? Hall of Fames are mostly a joke anyways.
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Post by Giovi on Dec 28, 2019 21:04:51 GMT
Seabrook isnt HHOF worthy but deserves his number retired. You could make the same argument for Sharp. And I think Larmer All true. And Sharp only has 150 games more than Hossa as a Hawk. And Conky has 2 rings as a starter, and is top 3 in all meaningful goalie stats. The list of numbers from the 2010's going into the rafters will be long, and it should be.
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Post by HawkDad on Dec 28, 2019 21:08:12 GMT
if they didnt hang chelios number up already, idk if it should be now. seabrook isnt hhof but he is a for the hawks, which is where the number retirement comes in no? and you gutless pukes would me miss. The time that has gone by shouldn't matter. He was always the best dman ever to wear the Indianhead. Better than Pilote, better than Keith. Hell, it took them how many years after he left the Hawks for them to put The Jet in the rafters ? he left to under not the best circumstances, but even Dollar Bill relented. The fact that somebody convinced him it was great publicity notwithstanding, he did it anyway even if he had his own selfish interests at heart. And I get your point about Seabs being a Hawk HOFer, that's fine. He was always one of "The Core" that is most responsible for the 3 Cups and them being the best of the decade. For that put him up there then. Make a banner for each of them then. They can have the same number, who cares that they both wore it. But if Seabs goes up then so does Hossa/Hammer/Sharp/ since they were a big part to. Crawford if you insist. 2/19/88 are already going up on their own. And while we're at it, JR and Larmer...
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Post by brendan on Dec 28, 2019 21:12:04 GMT
I'd put them all up but maybe roenick.. but that's a little before my time.
hard to argue for 2/7/19/88 not being automatic. and 81 too so vital for the cups... 10 was my favorite hawk during those years but hes last of that pile.
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Post by HawkDad on Dec 28, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
Roenick abso-fucking-lutely belongs up there. Bulk of his career with Hawks, point a game guy, top ten all-time Hawk goal scorers, and the biggest reason along with Cheli that the team became relevant again in the late 80's/early 90's. Another giant dickbag, but again, nobody should care about that shit. He was OUR dickbag for years and that's what matters. Guy left it all on the ice every night, and put up NUMBERS to back it up.
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Dec 28, 2019 21:55:16 GMT
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Post by jimc on Dec 28, 2019 21:55:16 GMT
I first mention Hossa becaude he is a HHOFer...he and Kane and Keith and probably Toews...and all are locks to have their numbers retired.
Hammer is an interesting case.
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Dec 28, 2019 21:57:27 GMT
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Post by lari on Dec 28, 2019 21:57:27 GMT
Can't put #7 in the rafters at all then if you don't want Cheli's name to go with it. Him being a giant dickbag should have nothing to do with it. He's a Hall Of Famer and one of the best dmen to evr lace 'em up. Seabrook being a gem of a guy and great teammate is known, acknowledged, and well deserved. He was even a legit top pair dman is his own right when he was in his prime. But he's also not making The Hall ever, we know that to. Point is you can't retire a number and hang it from on high, when there was an even better player who wore that number before him. And if Chelios ever comes back as the Hawk bench boss, you munchers will be fine with it IF THE TEAM WINS, and you know that to. You are really underselling Seabrook. He was not "even a legit top pair dman in his prime", he was a legit #1 level dman for nearly a decade, of which I feel he was the best defenseman in the entire world for at least 4-6 months back in 2011. He should get HHOF consideration, but that is almost irrelevant when it comes to numbers retited. A different animal. Retiring the jersey should happen purely because of what he did in Chicago. Chelios didn't win shit in Chicago, he should go to Detroit to ask for his jersey to be retired. He chose which team he wants to be forever associated with. Seabrook was a cornerstone piece of the greatest success in Blackhawks history. Him, Toews, Kane, Hossa, Keith, Sharp and Hjalmarsson are the Magnificient Seven, the only guys with three Cups. IMO, he is ahead of Sharp, Hammer and Hoss because he only ever played for the Hawks. The other three are ahead of him, so he is the literal middle man.
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