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Post by khawk20 on Nov 10, 2017 18:25:08 GMT
Agreed. Stunley has this habit of focusing so hard on a player he likes (Runny, Anisimov, now Murphy, probably Jurco) that he gets them and then does everything in his power to make sure they stay put, be it signing Anisimov before he even played a game in Chicago to a long term deal or mystifyingly keeping R******d around (Q had to probably eat that order, I can't believe he was on board with Runny in any form of his D lineups...)
The gut-for-the-future thing I hope is done by the next GM, but I have a feeling that guy will have a lot of damage to try and undo by that point.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 10, 2017 19:07:50 GMT
This is still one of my favorite things about that Murphy trade. Instead of signing someone and then immediately grossly overpaying them for years to come Stan chose to:
Trade the best caphit value player on the team for a player that was already grossly overpaid for years to come. He's learning, guys.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 10, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
This will require about 5 years or so to straighten out and restock the farm with more than just USHL prospects from the 4th round. If it was started right after 2015, Kane and Toews would still be their prime (does Toews even have a prime left?). Now, the 5 year process maybe has just begun. Horsa was sent to the glue factory, and Hammer was dealt. Instead of Kane and Toews being 32ish, they will be 35-36. Even though Keith's cap hit is a pittance at this point, those legs will have fallen off from all the minutes he has played. Complete asset mismanagement on the part of Stan Bowman. The signal will be whether Stan deals one of Seabrook or Crawford in the summer. If that happens, the full rebuild has commenced and that should coincide with Q's tenure and possibly Stan's being on the ropes.
Even the Panarin trade was dumb. Yeah, Saad is a hell of a hockey player, but he is making 6 million a season! The only way this works in a hard cap era is to get young, cheap, and hope the right coach is in place to put it all together at the right time. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be an Oiler fan. Paying McDavid and Leon like they have actually won 3 Stanley Cups when they have done poop on a stick.
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Post by lari on Nov 10, 2017 21:33:41 GMT
#5, much like his predecessor with that number, is trash. That's harsh. Not sure I agree. That fight and big hit in the previous game, and then a goal last night... I think he still has potential. I think he's better than Forsling and Kempny. Totally agree with everyone about missing Hjalmarsson though. That's not a trade I feel comfortable with. But it still doesn't justify bringing out Runny comparisons just yet! I'm still hoping he turns out more like Steve Smith than any combination of Rundblad/Cullimore/Sopel. |
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Post by jimc on Nov 10, 2017 22:46:25 GMT
Letting stan trade away assets to rebuild the team? Sure...great idea...look at the collection of shit he has badly overpaid for already...hes a clueless fuckwit.
Murphy is a fucking pylon who saves the hawks zero cap space...but exvhanges a top pair defensive rock for a 3rd pair sack of shit...totally typical blowman blunder.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 10, 2017 23:17:46 GMT
The problem I see going into next season is the fact that the Panarin's bonus overage will come off the books. This gives Stan room to make a "splash" along with Hossa's LTIR money and a slight bump in the cap.
I wouldn't expect Stan to be able to trade anyone making big dollars for assets. The hope is that by trading those contracts out to teams thinking they are close is that the Hawks are forced to a) play younger, cheaper players that might have a future b) get bad in the process c) have high picks again.
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Post by garyu on Nov 11, 2017 0:32:26 GMT
The problem I see going into next season is the fact that the Panarin's bonus overage will come off the books. This gives Stan room to make a "splash" along with Hossa's LTIR money and a slight bump in the cap. I wouldn't expect Stan to be able to trade anyone making big dollars for assets. The hope is that by trading those contracts out to teams thinking they are close is that the Hawks are forced to a) play younger, cheaper players that might have a future b) get bad in the process c) have high picks again. For a)...Who ya got in mind??? |
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 11, 2017 2:53:30 GMT
Letting stan trade away assets to rebuild the team? Sure...great idea...look at the collection of shit he has badly overpaid for already...hes a clueless fuckwit. Murphy is a fucking pylon who saves the hawks zero cap space...but exvhanges a top pair defensive rock for a 3rd pair sack of shit...totally typical blowman blunder. Have you watched Hammer play this season? He's far from a top pair defensive rock at this point. He looks like shit, actually. I think the Hawks dumped him exactly when they should have. It's unfortunate Murphy has disappointed thus far, but it's not like he's being put into a position to succeed, now is he? He's being bounced from one pairing to another, being bounced from the right to the left, being healthy scratched... Next game he gets to play his second ever NHL game on the left side....with Brent fucking Seabrook. It's like Leddy and Campbell on the PK, all over again. Or how badly Q fucked up with Daley. |
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Post by Giovi on Nov 11, 2017 3:38:22 GMT
jimmy needs to watch some coyotes games. #4 doesnt look like #4.
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Post by jimc on Nov 11, 2017 4:58:48 GMT
He's playing on one of the worst teams of all time ffs.
He is still ten times the hockey player than the bag of cement he was traded for...but hey...gotta love that cost certainty...an overpaid turnstyle...but locked into being overpaid for 5 more years...brilliant.
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Post by jimc on Nov 11, 2017 5:00:23 GMT
Are the hawks better with hammer or Murphy?
Hint...its not even close
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Post by HawkDad on Nov 11, 2017 6:06:23 GMT
For an organization that thought we are still playing for the here and now, that trade was a steaming pile. Then, now, and forever.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 11, 2017 6:19:08 GMT
Hammer was made for Q's system. He plays on a bad team, but he will have a hard time adjusting to another system for at least this season. It still was the right time to trade him, but what he was traded for makes no sense.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 11, 2017 6:21:00 GMT
Murphy has the skillset to be pretty good. You have to at least give him a season on the Hawks (a better team than the Yotes, but by how much?). Hawks have to try to teach Murphy how to be a hockey player. That's the negative of being stuck in the desert for the beginning of your career.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 11, 2017 6:25:20 GMT
The problem I see going into next season is the fact that the Panarin's bonus overage will come off the books. This gives Stan room to make a "splash" along with Hossa's LTIR money and a slight bump in the cap. I wouldn't expect Stan to be able to trade anyone making big dollars for assets. The hope is that by trading those contracts out to teams thinking they are close is that the Hawks are forced to a) play younger, cheaper players that might have a future b) get bad in the process c) have high picks again. For a)...Who ya got in mind??? For one, I would have never signed Sharp this season. That's Hino's spot. Pokka should be playing here over Franson. Stan gave up a 3rd for Jurco, but I'd rather give him a chance than a Tommy Wingels. Some guys don't hit their stride until a few years later than one would expect. Sharp comes to mind there. I think he was 26 before he really took off in Chicago. Some things Stan is doing say we are rebuilding and other say we think we can win. This confusion is why the Hawks are a 0.500 team right now. |
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