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Post by garyu on Aug 14, 2020 12:24:17 GMT
MAF and Malcom next game.
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Post by jimc on Aug 14, 2020 12:50:43 GMT
Terrible outcome to a close game. This now tilts the series. Might need something stronger than native girls next game. Their juju is not powerful enough against Vegas. Ehat were you actually expecting? Vegas is simply better at every facet of the game. Like the series wasnt severely tilted from the outset?
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 14, 2020 13:39:46 GMT
Terrible outcome to a close game. This now tilts the series. Might need something stronger than native girls next game. Their juju is not powerful enough against Vegas. Ehat were you actually expecting? Vegas is simply better at every facet of the game. Like the series wasnt severely tilted from the outset? Disappointing and terrible because this was the Hawks chance to win a game, which I know everyone here would see as "something" given that Vegas is the superior team.
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Post by jrsamu on Aug 14, 2020 14:23:59 GMT
That was probably their one shot at a win. Both teams are now nursing the walking wounded and the depth battle definitely does not tilt toward the Hawks.
There was definitely intensity, and the 2nd period proves that no team can afford to take their foot off the gas without risk.
On the positive side Debrincat and Strome had some success with Kane. And Dach broke out on the scoring sheet. But otherwise the lack of forward depth is costing them.
They can still seal a win, but the mental part is now working against them - especially after outplaying the Knights overall in the OT.
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Post by lari on Aug 14, 2020 14:29:16 GMT
Lack of depth? How about lack of effort from "gamebreaking Mr.Playoffs" Patrick Kane?! 10.5 million dollars for a 1.05 million dollar performance.
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Post by garyu on Aug 14, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
Lack of depth? How about lack of effort from "gamebreaking Mr.Playoffs" Patrick Kane?! 10.5 million dollars for a 1.05 million dollar performance. and assists on all 3 goals (and a post). Easily his best game.
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Post by jrsamu on Aug 14, 2020 15:33:57 GMT
Lack of depth? How about lack of effort from "gamebreaking Mr.Playoffs" Patrick Kane?! 10.5 million dollars for a 1.05 million dollar performance. I thought Kane was visible and engaged last night. I also noticed at least twice that two Knights were shadowing him all over the ice. When he is lined up with snipers that can make you pay, that is one thing. The team does not have those horses in the forward lines, and Vegas is not Edmonton.
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Post by jimc on Aug 14, 2020 15:44:35 GMT
That was probably their one shot at a win. Both teams are now nursing the walking wounded and the depth battle definitely does not tilt toward the Hawks. There was definitely intensity, and the 2nd period proves that no team can afford to take their foot off the gas without risk. On the positive side Debrincat and Strome had some success with Kane. And Dach broke out on the scoring sheet. But otherwise the lack of forward depth is costing them. They can still seal a win, but the mental part is now working against them - especially after outplaying the Knights overall in the OT. Getting outshot 7-1 in OT is outplaying Them?
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 14, 2020 16:08:07 GMT
The team does not have those horses in the forward lines, and Vegas is not Edmonton. Vegas is, like the Blows last year, a great example of how balanced teams are now the ones that are competing at the top of the heap.
It's cyclical...for a while it was small and skilled, for a while it was full on defensive trapping, for a while it was heavy and hitting everything in site.
This is the sort of model that should stick around for a long time, given you need balance throughout the lineup because of the cap being a thing (and the pussification of the league as a whole in terms of a physical game. It's still there a little...but for how long...)
This is best exemplified by the Coilers, really...two big big stars, maybe top two in the league, and then...nothing afterwards. The Hawks are a lot closer to the Edmonton model in the sense that they have Kane and Toews still driving the boat, but declining as they get older. If they can get a few steady scorers in the lineup (ideally Kubalik isn't a flash and Debrincat returns to "glory", and Dach just keeps getting bigger and better), then the depth should be easier to build moving forward.
Having a good to better goalie also helps. But, you know...
(**cough cough** Stan **cough cough**) (Coilers too, FWIW)
It's a good illustration of where the Oilers and the hawks have to go to be successful in the next four or five years.
At least we're not the Loafs with half the cap tied into four guys...but that's another story.
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Post by jrsamu on Aug 14, 2020 16:34:10 GMT
And when the team is paying $14+ million for three players that aren't in the lineup, (Shaw, Smith and Seabrook), with a bare cupboard of forward depth, the Hawks are definitely closer to the Oilers than a Stanley Cup.
The Leafs are screwed and will be forced to make bad moves.
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Post by jrsamu on Aug 14, 2020 16:35:12 GMT
That was probably their one shot at a win. Both teams are now nursing the walking wounded and the depth battle definitely does not tilt toward the Hawks. There was definitely intensity, and the 2nd period proves that no team can afford to take their foot off the gas without risk. On the positive side Debrincat and Strome had some success with Kane. And Dach broke out on the scoring sheet. But otherwise the lack of forward depth is costing them. They can still seal a win, but the mental part is now working against them - especially after outplaying the Knights overall in the OT. Getting outshot 7-1 in OT is outplaying Them? I may be guilty of comparing to period #3 when they were hanging on for dear life. I thought they were way more competitive in the battle department in OT, until they weren't.
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Post by jrsamu on Aug 14, 2020 16:51:29 GMT
I don't know if Maatta was injured, but Carlsson in the lineup again would be OK by me. He was definitely pressing and nervous, but he is at least not afraid of his shadow.
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 14, 2020 17:14:38 GMT
And when the team is paying $14+ million for three players that aren't in the lineup, (Shaw, Smith and Seabrook), with a bare cupboard of forward depth, the Hawks are definitely closer to the Oilers than a Stanley Cup. The Leafs are screwed and will be forced to make bad moves. Yeah the hawks are. And their stars are in decline. Dach will be really good but there’s a ceiling there I’m sure. He needs a real dynamic offensive player to compliment him (yes it’s Kane and toews all over I know)... Kubalik we will know more about in the next season or two, but he ain’t a kane.
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