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Post by jimc on Jan 25, 2018 4:22:32 GMT
Anybody watching the US feed hear Milbury rip Toews?
I heard he roasted his effort pretty harshly.
As for the game...just another shit effort...Leafs came out flat and tried to give the game away in the first...hawks couldnt oblige.
The chicago sad trombones were lucky to get it to OT...then 2 and 8 conspired to bring the circus to its laughable end....so much fucking incompetence.
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Post by Merpes on Jan 25, 2018 4:27:23 GMT
Maybe Rocky could do everyone a favor and blackout the home games again?
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Post by jimc on Jan 25, 2018 4:43:01 GMT
If the hawks future is Hino and Schmaltz and ADB, then welcome back to 2005.
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Post by Merpes on Jan 25, 2018 4:58:23 GMT
None of those guys will be around by the time the Hawks might be relevant again. In fact, I'd be inclined to trade them (especially Schmaltz since he will be due a new contract at the end of the season). You can't rebuild a team around a nucleus of players past their ELCs in a hard cap system. Your core has to come from your ELC pool and then you manage it from there as the Hawks did 2009 onward. The Hawks are coming out the other end of the tunnel now so take the pain, suck hard, go Edmonton Oilers, and get a shot at a few #1 picks in a row.
The Toews/Kane era is over. We are in the ride them into the sunset part now. The Hawks have to find the next two twinsies to build with. Fuck all if it is any combo of Schmaltz, Hino, or ADB.
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Post by jimc on Jan 25, 2018 5:09:45 GMT
The Hawks simply have nothing in the way of top half of the roster players on the way...they need a complete and total rebuild and brand new core to build around.
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Post by soccer24 on Jan 25, 2018 5:56:35 GMT
Didn't hear the Milbury thing, but anything Milbury says is usually completely wrong anyway.
So disclaimer here: The rest of this place doesn't come from a place of whining, or thinking there's a conspiracy theory at play. I really don't care at all about the Hawks losing this game, tbh.
That said, the refs handed two goals to the Leafs tonight. The non-icing call was horrible. Maybe that should be added to the replay reviews. (No, please don't. (But if they did, I bet they'd catch a lot more dump-ins that were actually just short of center, negating even more goals))
And then to call that last one a penalty shot was quite suspect. A game or two ago, I forget who it was, but a Hawk was on a breakaway, got slashed, lost control of the puck. Ruled to be a 2 minute minor. I was confused, but I suppose the ref ruled that the slash didn't lead to losing control of the puck, so the player still had a chance to score on the play? I don't buy it, really. So then to see tonight's call result in a penalty shot was even more confusing. I mean, the player maintained control, and still got a good shot off. That one should have just been a regular penalty. Maybe the Leafs still score on the ensuing PP, but the odds of it would have been cut in half.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Jan 25, 2018 5:56:36 GMT
Amazing game to watch Michael Nylanders son barely undress the hawks 3rd string G for the extra point.
Fuck were the loafs fans abundant throughout the UC, don’t even have to worry about moving down to lower levels these days. The ushers give as much of a fuck as the team.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Jan 25, 2018 5:59:41 GMT
Didn't hear the Milbury thing, but anything Milbury says is usually completely wrong anyway. So disclaimer here: The rest of this place doesn't come from a place of whining, or thinking there's a conspiracy theory at play. I really don't care at all about the Hawks losing this game, tbh. That said, the refs handed two goals to the Leafs tonight. The non-icing call was horrible. Maybe that should be added to the replay reviews. (No, please don't. (But if they did, I bet they'd catch a lot more dump-ins that were actually just short of center, negating even more goals)) And then to call that last one a penalty shot was quite suspect. A game or two ago, I forget who it was, but a Hawk was on a breakaway, got slashed, lost control of the puck. Ruled to be a 2 minute minor. I was confused, but I suppose the ref ruled that the slash didn't lead to losing control of the puck, so the player still had a chance to score on the play? I don't buy it, really. So then to see tonight's call result in a penalty shot was even more confusing. I mean, the player maintained control, and still got a good shot off. That one should have just been a regular penalty. Maybe the Leafs still score on the ensuing PP, but the odds of it would have been cut in half. Penalty shot was the correct call. The refs also totally blew what was a blatant interference against the Hawks when they were on the PP towards the end of the 2nd. The Hawks have no one but themselves to blame for this abortion of an effort.
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Post by soccer24 on Jan 25, 2018 6:04:03 GMT
I was pretty sure that if you still get to take your shot, it's no longer a penalty shot. Guess I need an explanation on how the Hawks didn't get one a couple games back then.
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Post by lari on Jan 25, 2018 7:44:54 GMT
I was pretty sure that if you still get to take your shot, it's no longer a penalty shot. Guess I need an explanation on how the Hawks didn't get one a couple games back then. No, it should be a penalty shot. You basically get a free roll if you're still able to get a shot off anyway.
If the Hawks didn't get a penalty shot, it was not considered a breakaway situation.
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Post by Pez68 on Jan 25, 2018 8:21:57 GMT
Actually, it probably shouldn't have been a penalty shot.
That said, who gives a fuck, really? Keep this ship sinking. Shoot for the moon when it comes to the upcoming draft.
I don't agree with the DBC or Schmaltz assessments. Of course they aren't Toews/Kane. Those guys come around every 10 years. But they are absolutely top six forwards, and pretty good ones. A ton of talent and compete. Schmaltz is a puck hound on the backcheck. What Saad USED to be. DeBrincat is arguably the Hawk's best shooter. They are EXTREMELY young players and being thrown into a horrible situation with this team and their system. Which is why you need a fucking coach here that can develop their talent and implement a system that puts your players into a position to succeed, not fail.
That OT is once again a typical Q fuckup. You put Schmaltz and his 40% at the dot, out against Matthews/Nylander, to start the OT? Fucking LOL.
Speaking of Saad, what the actual fuck? Who is this guy? When this many players are underperforming...you have to look at the coach first and foremost.
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Post by dhull10 on Jan 25, 2018 11:21:00 GMT
The Madhouse will now be dubbed "The SADhouse" Has there been a worse homestand in the 19/88 era?
My take on the penalty shot was back in the day penalty shots were rare you had to have a clear and concise breakaway not a small step ahead of the D. Penalty shots are now handed out as common as Jim C handing out candy to kids from his van.
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Post by khawk20 on Jan 25, 2018 11:41:18 GMT
Fire everybody. Twats losing to Toronto makes them a team that slumping teams can use to rebound.
Nothing worse than that in sports to me.
Also the penalty shot was a slash directly to the hands by Keith so yeah I see why they called it that way. Plus the inconsistent way Goalie interference is called these days I was surprised the Hawks got the "good goal" designation on their tying marker. I don't know if Andersen could have got over to try and stop the rebound but I've seen much chintzier calls noted as Interference and goals called back.
So I guess it evened out.
Also TWO PP goals in the same game?
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Post by stbhawks19 on Jan 25, 2018 14:06:02 GMT
Hino on the point during the PP reminded me of that meme of Q rolling the six sided die with the names on it.
And of course that sheer stupidity was rewarded.
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Post by jimc on Jan 25, 2018 14:20:42 GMT
It was absolutely a PS...Keith slashed Nylander on the hands and prevented a clear scoring chance...that Nylander got off a sad little attempted shot is immaterial. Hawks also benefitted from goalie interference on one of their goals.
I agree Schmaltz and ADB can be top 6 forwards, but neither is a building block or first line talent...at least on a contending team...each has s critical fatal flaw...ADB is a smurf who just doesnt skate well enough to overcome it, and Schmaltz is so soft, and lacks any upper body strength, rendering him useless on faceoffs or in traffic.i am not sure Schmaltz is a C, at all, really.
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