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Post by markwojo on Feb 26, 2018 23:00:37 GMT
Hawks did move Wingels to Boston for a 2019 5th which becomes a 4th if Boston wins a playoff series or Boston signs Wingels.
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Post by garyu on Feb 27, 2018 0:54:39 GMT
Hawks did move Wingels to Boston for a 2019 5th which becomes a 4th if Boston wins a playoff series or Boston signs Wingels. Go Bs.
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Post by Merpes on Feb 27, 2018 2:30:50 GMT
Hartman for a 1st is a huge overpay by Nashville. The next Forsberg (no, not Anton) will make this trade look even worse for Nashville.
Hartman is a useful player to the right team but currently that isn't the Hawks. He is gonna get paid something like 2 million plus a season on his next contract. Hawks have no reason to pay him that when they ain't winning shit for a few years. Good on Stan for doing the right thing for once. Wait, what?
Moving Wingels for anything was a good move.
So Stan was able to swap out Panik, Kempny, Hartman, and Wingels and a 5th for Duclair, a 3rd, a 1st, a 4th, decent prospect, a 5th (more likely 4th) and about 3 million in cap space (barring if Duclair is resigned).
I'd expect even more moves at the draft when it will be easier to move a guy like AA.
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Post by Merpes on Feb 27, 2018 2:32:51 GMT
Detroit got a nice haul for Tatar.
I wonder if Stan will trade the Hawks' 2025 1st rounder at the draft.
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Post by jimc on Feb 27, 2018 3:45:56 GMT
Really would have been nice to see stan unload that stupid AA contract.
I think this summer he loses full NTC protection
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Post by markwojo on Feb 27, 2018 13:18:38 GMT
Really would have been nice to see stan unload that stupid AA contract. I think this summer he loses full NTC protection I also think you might get more interest in moving an NHL piece for AA to try to smooth out the cap over the Summer. Most contending teams don't have limitless cap space over the next few years and taking AA for futures only creates implications for other teams that have guys they need to resign in the next couple Summers. Contenders at the deadline want to add without giving up current NHL pieces. Hopefully Stun (or better yet...our new GM) can find a team with some depth on D willing to move an NHL guy for AA. I want to be greedy and hope a "#2" center like AA could bring a 2nd pairing D man, but I would settle for a #4/5 SAH guy on a good contract (a modern day version of the Oduya acquisition) .
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Post by Merpes on Feb 27, 2018 14:11:13 GMT
I would assume most GMs want to see where the cap is next year before they add a contract with 3 Stans left on it.
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Post by jrsamu on Feb 27, 2018 14:24:10 GMT
Hartman drew as many penalties as he committed, and this was the dreaded sophomore jinx season. I'm withholding judgment on this deal to see if the #1 results in another 5-7 winger or an undersized Swedish defenseman. Hartman was not as useful as Shaw, but he was in the same mold of hard to play against.
The distinction between the current on-ice product and Olympic figure skating is closer than it has ever been.
The forward version of the Swedish Giraffe may well prove to be a great return by himself, let alone the #1 pick. I get it. Count me as one that would be tickled to see Hartman raise the cup as the proverbial f-you to Q.
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Post by jimc on Feb 27, 2018 15:46:35 GMT
Alleged bad blood between Hartman and Q led to his asking for a trade.
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Post by jimc on Feb 27, 2018 15:48:04 GMT
Mike Green allegedly vetoed trade to Leafs to keep away from mike babcock
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Post by lari on Feb 27, 2018 16:00:16 GMT
Really would have been nice to see stan unload that stupid AA contract. I think this summer he loses full NTC protection I also think you might get more interest in moving an NHL piece for AA to try to smooth out the cap over the Summer. Most contending teams don't have limitless cap space over the next few years and taking AA for futures only creates implications for other teams that have guys they need to resign in the next couple Summers. Contenders at the deadline want to add without giving up current NHL pieces. Hopefully Stun (or better yet...our new GM) can find a team with some depth on D willing to move an NHL guy for AA. I want to be greedy and hope a "#2" center like AA could bring a 2nd pairing D man, but I would settle for a #4/5 SAH guy on a good contract (a modern day version of the Oduya acquisition) . Bear in mind a #5 d-man on another team is most likely a #2 in Chicago.
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Post by markwojo on Feb 27, 2018 16:00:30 GMT
This team will not miss Hartman going forward. We have Kane, Toews, Saad, Schmaltz, Debrincat as 5 guys penciled into the top 6 going forward (based on ability, contract, or some combination of those factors). Declair, Hino, Hayden, AA (until he is traded), hopefully a signed Sikura, Louis, Highmore, the Swedish giraffe of forwards give us plenty of options to fill the 6th top 6 forward and a third line out. We also have a few dollars in our back pocket to address some forward depth. I would love to see AA's contract moved and the freed up cash be used to add a top 4 D or a scoring winger that is a shoot first guy you could pair with Kane/Schmaltz. Hossa's deal is both moveable and much easier to manage this Summer (as you are not in limbo waiting on the league to approve the health issue) and I think you can at the least use some of the LTIR to address either a Dman or a scoring winger if not all of it by moving the contract.
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Post by jimc on Feb 27, 2018 16:09:12 GMT
This team will not miss Hartman going forward. We have Kane, Toews, Saad, Schmaltz, Debrincat as 5 guys penciled into the top 6 going forward (based on ability, contract, or some combination of those factors). Declair, Hino, Hayden, AA (until he is traded), hopefully a signed Sikura, Louis, Highmore, the Swedish giraffe of forwards give us plenty of options to fill the 6th top 6 forward and a third line out. We also have a few dollars in our back pocket to address some forward depth. I would love to see AA's contract moved and the freed up cash be used to add a top 4 D or a scoring winger that is a shoot first guy you could pair with Kane/Schmaltz. Hossa's deal is both moveable and much easier to manage this Summer (as you are not in limbo waiting on the league to approve the health issue) and I think you can at the least use some of the LTIR to address either a Dman or a scoring winger if not all of it by moving the contract. that is still a really shitty team....with a ton of None of those prospects projects to anything top-6 right now. Duclair fucking sucks...Hino is a nothing. Hayden is a 3rd/4th line banger... I agree on hartman tho'...very tired of his wanna be tough guy toutine
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Post by soccer24 on Feb 27, 2018 16:34:03 GMT
Mike Green allegedly vetoed trade to Leafs to keep away from mike babcock
And this is the real power of the NTC. It's not so much because you never want to be traded anywhere, but it ensures that you don't ever get dumped to a destination you don't want to go to without your permission.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Feb 27, 2018 16:56:01 GMT
Guess he has some big travel plans come mid-April then. Why play the game if you don’t want to be in a position to win the Cup?
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