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Post by markwojo on Mar 21, 2018 15:46:22 GMT
Other than 2 Sunday's ago they can't play a game without giving up at least 4 goals a game. I can't believe this team is this bad. Again what will they do about next year? Firing just the assistants or the stick boy won't cut it this time. Off with all their heads. .... yes, the team is this bad, the rot runs deep & there's no quick fix. The Hawks aren't just a player away, nor will the over abundance of inexperience develop into talent. The team is a collection of once weres & never will bes. There's nothing in the farm system, no Connor McDavid waiting for the Hawks to pluck in the draft and no obvious means to correct the salary cap stranglehold. Yes, get rid of daddy's boy, Stun...not even worth the effort to elaborate on this view. The on the ice product is all Stun. He owns it. Yes, get rid of Q....the misfit in a scenerio guaranteed to fail. A coach that hates rookies coaching a team laden with rookies. A coach that hates to coach offense on a team that can't produce offense. A defensive coach on a team that can't play defense. A couple of weeks ago, one of the local sports reporters was showing a clip shot at the Hawks practice. In the background you could hear the ever inspiration Q close practice with ... "Let's go have some fun out there." Are you fucking kidding me? The team isn't hard to play against. There's nothing in the Hawks that opponents need fear. On offense, all the Hawks seem to want to do is shoot 15' wrist shots. On defense, all they want to do is join the rush. They don't compete or contest. They're pussy soft. "Off with all their heads." You bet. I'm going to agree to disagree with you. While we are probably a long way away from being a legit Cup contender (meaning top handful of teams in the league in the Pittsburg/Tampa/Nashville zip codes), I don't think we are very far off of being a legit playoff contender which after 3 Cup wins is not enough for most....but relative to this abortion of a season would be a welcome step. As bad as this team has been, with Crawford in net they were 5 games above .500 which over the entire season would have had them solidly in a wild card playoff slot.....again despite ALL the other shortcomings in this roster. The backup goaltending has been putrid relative to what we have had the last 3-4 years and that is not all because of the teams in front of them. Next, they are in a drastically improved cap position going into next year verses last Summer. No Panarin carryover penalty adds 3+ million in usable cap. No Hossa uncertainty on his LTIR status means at a minimum you can be more aggressive in using some of his cap hit knowing on day one of the league season that you WILL (as opposed to hope to) have LTIR space. Hossa's LTIR status being already decided also means his deal in infinitely easier to move to a cap floor team. The cap has been projected to go to 78-82 million this Summer meaning 3-7 more in cap space. We've shed a little cap commitment by flopping Panik's 2.8 he was due into whatever raise Duclair earns on his current 1.2 which can't be much (or even more if we decide to just cut bait with him entirely which I would not be to broke up over if we did). We have several flier contracts that roll off the books in Sharp, Franson, Bouma, Rozy, etc and that space can be consolidated into something a bit more useful (especially with the other cap money now available). The only RFA the Hawks have to deal with are Duclair (could care less if he goes), Jurco (goodbye already), Hayden, & Hinostroza none of which are breaking the bank and one or two of which may just be gone. Anisimov has been at least decent since coming back rebuilding a little trade value. He goes to a modified NTC this Summer. He has the last 3 years on his deal, but it was a little frontloaded and not all that unattractive financially going forward (especially the last 2 where he is owed 4 and then 3 million). If Toews and Schamaltz are your centers going forward, AA is a movable luxury which you can reallocate his cap hit to fill some other holes. He might be tradable on his own merit for his full cap hit, but eating 500K- 1 million retained salary would have lots of team willing to take him I would guess. Last, we have almost a 20% chance of a top 3 pick in the draft and 6% of grabbing Dahlin at 1st overall. Dahlin plugs into our lineup on day one and stays there for a decade. I think the only debate is how effective is he out of the gate and what are the growing pains in that process. The kid is a once in every 5-10 year type of Dman. Nope not a McDavid...but for the Hawks he might be an even better fit as he is a top pairing D (maybe not in year one...but a darn good bet he is by year 2 or 3 and I like the odds he is better then any LHD not named Keith immediately). Svechnikov or Zadina have a decent chance of helping next fall too. Our farm system is not some barren wasteland devoid of anything useful. Sikura hopefully signs in a week or two when Northeastern is knocked out of the NCAA tourney and he is immediately competition for a roster spot. Forsling has shown promise and is still only 21 which is adolescence when it comes to D man development. Jokiharju and Mitchell have had a great year of development after being drafted last year. Some of the kids that have played either some or most of this season in the NHL have the ability to be better then they were this past year. |
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Post by khawk20 on Mar 21, 2018 16:16:58 GMT
In all seriousness, has Colorado REALLY got their shit together? They are a 1st round out. They are the Hawks of last season, but slept through the first half of the season. A one line team. MacKinnon is having a Hart-type season, carrying them kicking and screaming into the playoffs. That shit doesn't work come playoff time. Colorado is no better off than they were a few years ago. They will make the playoffs periodically when MacKinnon and Raatenen are killing it. I think going from a historically bad season to a playoff team qualifies as getting their shit together, regardless of whether one or two players are carrying their team to get them there. Even if they are a first round "out" they have had a successful season and given themselves something to build on. ...and if we aren't hoping for a similar type of success story to happen to the Hawks next year, or at least some marked improvement over this year's abortion of a season, what are we hoping for? |
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Post by lari on Mar 21, 2018 16:21:17 GMT
I think Dahlin will be a Keith/Karlsson/Doughty/Weber/Suter type of legit #1 d-man who will be a perennial Norris contender. And that's his floor. They say he is better than all of those actually.
So yes, winning the lottery will have a significant impact on the Hawks future. Like drafting Kane did. But more realistically, a top 3-4 pick will also be real nice. It just won't flip the franchise upside down.
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Post by soccer24 on Mar 21, 2018 17:21:41 GMT
It's pretty crazy to think we're talking about the realistic possibility of the Hawks landing a top 3 or 4 pick.
Is this season actually more disappointing/disgusting than the early 2000's were? With those teams, you saw the names on the roster and knew it would be bad. With this team, there's no excuse to be THIS bad. Which is worse?
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 21, 2018 17:41:08 GMT
In all seriousness, has Colorado REALLY got their shit together? They are a 1st round out. They are the Hawks of last season, but slept through the first half of the season. A one line team. MacKinnon is having a Hart-type season, carrying them kicking and screaming into the playoffs. That shit doesn't work come playoff time. Colorado is no better off than they were a few years ago. They will make the playoffs periodically when MacKinnon and Raatenen are killing it. I think going from a historically bad season to a playoff team qualifies as getting their shit together, regardless of whether one or two players are carrying their team to get them there. Even if they are a first round "out" they have had a successful season and given themselves something to build on. ...and if we aren't hoping for a similar type of success story to happen to the Hawks next year, or at least some marked improvement over this year's abortion of a season, what are we hoping for? Like Edmonton 2016-2017? Look at them this season. Right back to the basement. We have seen this from Colorado before. They have some offensive talent, but they are far off from a consistent playoff team.... |
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Post by dhull10 on Mar 21, 2018 17:46:09 GMT
It's pretty crazy to think we're talking about the realistic possibility of the Hawks landing a top 3 or 4 pick. Is this season actually more disappointing/disgusting than the early 2000's were? With those teams, you saw the names on the roster and knew it would be bad. With this team, there's no excuse to be THIS bad. Which is worse? This is worse because you have a few legit or potential Hall of Famers (Kane for sure) on this roster, along with a 3 Cup core. The other teams were bad and any winning streak was an accomplishment. |
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 21, 2018 17:51:52 GMT
I don't know. I think it's encouraging, because there is NO WAY this team is as bad as their record indicates. An NHL caliber goalie and coaching staff, and they are easily in the playoffs.
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Post by garyu on Mar 21, 2018 18:08:19 GMT
It's pretty crazy to think we're talking about the realistic possibility of the Hawks landing a top 3 or 4 pick. Is this season actually more disappointing/disgusting than the early 2000's were? With those teams, you saw the names on the roster and knew it would be bad. With this team, there's no excuse to be THIS bad. Which is worse? Regardless of the 'core' players on this squad, the Hawks started the season with about 40% new guys...That didn't help...Having no bkup for CrOw also-not good...2, 7, 19 all subpar. 10 is done. This roster is the usual mismatch of talent that bad teams have. That said, teams before '08 had no chance and kept filling spots with losers. Pretty dark around here, then. |
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Post by jimc on Mar 21, 2018 18:47:18 GMT
The hawks dont have the Av's top end talent, or youth or deth...esoecislky on thr back end...the Hawks are old and slow and broken down...any gains made by the kids next year will be offset by the further drop-off of the unmoveable vets. Crow was overachieving large this uear...his stats were totally unsustainable...he will be 34 by next season and wont stay sober or healthy all next season...relying on him for a playoff spot is a fairy tale.
Its great that the Hawks could have some cap space next year...understand that with the same GM, that space is wasted and the roster isnt getting any better...just more cash to throw away on terrible raises for useless RFAs
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 21, 2018 19:13:21 GMT
If you followed the Avs instead of the Hawks, you'd be saying the same fucking things about them this season, that you were about the Hawks the last 3 seasons... Last season, instead of underachieving vets, you'd be bitching about underachieving youngsters, and calling them gutless faggots and busts.
If you think MacKinnon is suddenly going to be a 15% shooter the rest of his career, when his highest season prior to this was 10%(4 years ago)...you're nuts.
The Avalanche are nothing special up front after Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen.... Two of which are greatly benefiting from MacKinnon's career year... They are the very definition of a one line team. They have some good young d-men, sure. Comeau, Soderberg, and EJ are all on the wrong side of 30...
They have a functional power play, and have gotten good goaltending this season... That and MacKinnon killing it, is the only reason they are in the playoff hunt.
The Hawks are certainly not in an ideal situation, but Colorado is a pretty fucking silly choice to use to make them look bad.
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Post by Hawksfan10 on Mar 21, 2018 19:50:08 GMT
Fully agree with the above. The Avs are nothing special at all outside of a career year from a guy who was a minus 30-something over the last few years.
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Post by Merpes on Mar 22, 2018 3:43:24 GMT
It's pretty crazy to think we're talking about the realistic possibility of the Hawks landing a top 3 or 4 pick. Is this season actually more disappointing/disgusting than the early 2000's were? With those teams, you saw the names on the roster and knew it would be bad. With this team, there's no excuse to be THIS bad. Which is worse? Regardless of the 'core' players on this squad, the Hawks started the season with about 40% new guys...That didn't help...Having no bkup for CrOw also-not good...2, 7, 19 all subpar. 10 is done. This roster is the usual mismatch of talent that bad teams have. That said, teams before '08 had no chance and kept filling spots with losers. Pretty dark around here, then. 10's extension in 3,2,1... |
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Post by garyu on Mar 22, 2018 13:11:49 GMT
Regardless of the 'core' players on this squad, the Hawks started the season with about 40% new guys...That didn't help...Having no bkup for CrOw also-not good...2, 7, 19 all subpar. 10 is done. This roster is the usual mismatch of talent that bad teams have. That said, teams before '08 had no chance and kept filling spots with losers. Pretty dark around here, then. 10's extension in 3,2,1... Followed by Rosy getting a couple more years from Stan. |
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Post by khawk20 on Mar 22, 2018 13:24:46 GMT
10's extension in 3,2,1... Followed by Rosy getting a couple more years from Stan. FUCK. OFF. |
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Post by jimc on Mar 22, 2018 13:38:34 GMT
That is the point
AVS are nothing special...and they still clown the loser hawks.
However...going forward...they are in a much better position than the Hawks. Based on age, bad contracts and coaching
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