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Post by jimc on Oct 22, 2018 18:34:36 GMT
This asshole deserves his own thread...so we can all show our appreciation for all of his had work dismantling a championship caliber team. I will start... Blackhawks' Bowman: Jury still out on Saad-Panarin trade www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1627213 |
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Post by garyu on Oct 22, 2018 19:54:17 GMT
See? I told you Stan knew what he was doing! It ain't done yet.
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Post by gadi on Oct 22, 2018 19:59:01 GMT
The Hawks will have Saad for two more seasons after this one, whereas Panarin will be a UFA and fly the coop. So as usual, Stan is playing 5-D chess, while Jim is just playing with himself.
Serious question, assuming Panarin leaves, and there's like a 0.000000001% that he'll stay, who will have scored more points, Panarin for the BJs or Saad, from last year through the end of his deal. It's going to be Panarin, right?
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Post by jrsamu on Oct 22, 2018 20:07:31 GMT
One bad game is one bad game. Still, this is not the first season for some of these defensemen, and they have looked completely overmatched more often than not.
In retrospect, the Hawks were very fortunate to win Cup #3 and have really been in decline for some time, resting too many chips on a dwindling number of assets that are worthy of crunch time trust.
It starts in the back, and it was probably impossible to make up for both a deteriorating Seabrook and the adios to #4 without an immediate replacement.
Even Andrew Shaw has been a big loss, which tells you something about the compete level of some of this recent batch of prospects/suspects.
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Post by jimc on Oct 22, 2018 21:28:25 GMT
Panarin could probably not score another point and saad won't catch him.
That stain is so crafty...has Saad tiews up at a ridiculous over-pau for 2 more seasons after this...that's called cost certainty, BABY...just like overpaying Murphy for 5 more seasons
I guess its better to have shitty players on bad contracts for longer, rather than shorter periods?
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Post by Merpes on Oct 23, 2018 2:28:57 GMT
Saad is a 30-40 point player making 6 million and isn't elite at any particular facet of the game. BJs gave him 6 million on the hopes he would continue to get better, but I guess when you don't play with a still very good Hossa and a Toews pre-vegetarian, the warts come out.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 23, 2018 2:34:25 GMT
Hawks would have been better off just keeping Panarin and letting him walk for nothing at the end of this year than being locked up into a 6 million dollar anchor for 2 more seasons after this one. Ideally, the Hawks would still be a non-playoff team with Panarin and Stan could have traded him at the deadline this year for a 1st rounder plus which would be far better than Saad and young goalie that the Hawks apparently wanted but won't let him play over Cam FUCKING Ward.
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Post by jimc on Oct 23, 2018 2:39:42 GMT
Stan doubling down on his own ineptitude
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Post by Merpes on Oct 23, 2018 3:01:40 GMT
Stan's fault is for not dismantling a Cup caliber team, it's for trying to resurrect a Cup caliber team on the backs of horses that no longer can do it. 2, 19, 7, 50, and 88 are still good players, but they aren't capable of carrying a roster anymore given their age and mileage. It's a complete misidentification of what needed to happen after 2015 that has sunk the Hawks. Obviously Rocky was more worried about losing money thus the need to try to stay competitive. Ironically, that approach has made the Hawks worse off than if they would have just tanked and blown it up. If the Hawks go full Florida Marlins after 2015, there is no telling what kind of young assets they would have right now.
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Post by khawk20 on Oct 23, 2018 9:09:53 GMT
Stan's fault is for not dismantling a Cup caliber team, it's for trying to resurrect a Cup caliber team on the backs of horses that no longer can do it. 2, 19, 7, 50, and 88 are still good players, but they aren't capable of carrying a roster anymore given their age and mileage. It's a complete misidentification of what needed to happen after 2015 that has sunk the Hawks. Obviously Rocky was more worried about losing money thus the need to try to stay competitive. Ironically, that approach has made the Hawks worse off than if they would have just tanked and blown it up. If the Hawks go full Florida Marlins after 2015, there is no telling what kind of young assets they would have right now. This. |
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Post by jrsamu on Oct 23, 2018 11:50:51 GMT
Stan's fault is for not dismantling a Cup caliber team, it's for trying to resurrect a Cup caliber team on the backs of horses that no longer can do it. 2, 19, 7, 50, and 88 are still good players, but they aren't capable of carrying a roster anymore given their age and mileage. It's a complete misidentification of what needed to happen after 2015 that has sunk the Hawks. Obviously Rocky was more worried about losing money thus the need to try to stay competitive. Ironically, that approach has made the Hawks worse off than if they would have just tanked and blown it up. If the Hawks go full Florida Marlins after 2015, there is no telling what kind of young assets they would have right now. It is academic. Stan Bowman is not the person in whose hand I'd place the responsibility of a rebuild (i.e. securing actual assets in exchange for the players he would need to deal), so they would need to make that change before doing anything else. Given the Hawks marketing-driven product, there would be a massive disconnect between walk and talk. This really is Detroit 2.0 |
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Post by jimc on Oct 23, 2018 13:24:10 GMT
I dont know if they can get worse than last year, but this team is in for 4-5 years of pain...they have no top end assets to build around and are stuck with some really bad declining assets on unmovable deals.
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Post by garyu on Oct 23, 2018 14:33:58 GMT
The Hawks will have Saad for two more seasons after this one, whereas Panarin will be a UFA and fly the coop. So as usual, Stan is playing 5-D chess, while Jim is just playing with himself. Serious question, assuming Panarin leaves, and there's like a 0.000000001% that he'll stay, who will have scored more points, Panarin for the BJs or Saad, from last year through the end of his deal. It's going to be Panarin, right? How did you reach that conclusion? |
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Post by gadi on Oct 23, 2018 15:43:08 GMT
Which one, old man? That Panarin is out the door of BJ land? He's pretty much said as such.
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Post by lari on Oct 23, 2018 16:00:06 GMT
Which one, old man? That Panarin is out the door of BJ land? He's pretty much said as such. Saad for Panarin at the TDL! Win-win, baby! |
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