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Post by jimc on May 19, 2019 5:10:36 GMT
Just because the Hawks have spent a lot of draft capital on dmen the last few drafts shouldn't exclude Byram automatically. It's rare to find a 1st pairing dmen that hit FA or become available in a trade. You have to groom them from within. Take Byram and deal from your surplus of other dmen to address other needs if it comes to that. Young capable dmen are worth a ton in trades more so than forwards. It's like the analysts don't realize Keith is 36 and Seabrook is washed up. Hawks don't have a 1st pairing dmen on the active roster currently. I'm also leery of drafting players from the USNTDP unless they fall into the Matthews category in the top 3. The USNTDP program is basically the globetrotters playing against the Dubuque Fighting Saints most of the time. At least Kane went to the OHL for a season and dominated. I take an OHL or WHL player easily over Turcotte at 3. If the Hawks are drafting at 12 like everyone expected, a guy like Turcotte is fine. Top 3 you want game breakers and Byram is the only one that fits the bill unless Kakko or Hughes falls. I'd even put Podz over Turcotte at 3. Fuck you, Stan! Excellent post...especially that last part!
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Post by jimc on May 19, 2019 5:11:15 GMT
The Hawks rank at the bottom of the league in their prospect pool. They do not have a single guy who projects to be a #1 D...they have a chance at that this year. The F's available do not have as high a ceiling at their position. Still paying the consequences for trading Campbell Duh! Dear lord, I loathe you
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Post by ballz09 on May 19, 2019 23:52:06 GMT
Just because the Hawks have spent a lot of draft capital on dmen the last few drafts shouldn't exclude Byram automatically. It's rare to find a 1st pairing dmen that hit FA or become available in a trade. You have to groom them from within. Take Byram and deal from your surplus of other dmen to address other needs if it comes to that. Young capable dmen are worth a ton in trades more so than forwards. It's like the analysts don't realize Keith is 36 and Seabrook is washed up. Hawks don't have a 1st pairing dmen on the active roster currently. I'm also leery of drafting players from the USNTDP unless they fall into the Matthews category in the top 3. The USNTDP program is basically the globetrotters playing against the Dubuque Fighting Saints most of the time. At least Kane went to the OHL for a season and dominated. I take an OHL or WHL player easily over Turcotte at 3. If the Hawks are drafting at 12 like everyone expected, a guy like Turcotte is fine. Top 3 you want game breakers and Byram is the only one that fits the bill unless Kakko or Hughes falls. I'd even put Podz over Turcotte at 3. Fuck you, Stan! Excellent post...especially that last part! So they think Stan drafts so well that he will draft players other teams will want? They also have faith in Stan to identify holes and make deals without fuggin’ em up? The voices in your head are as confused as your gender, but it sounds as if all your genders are on the Stan train.
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Post by jimc on May 20, 2019 13:15:55 GMT
Excellent post...especially that last part! So they think Stan drafts so well that he will draft players other teams will want? They also have faith in Stan to identify holes and make deals without fuggin’ em up? The voices in your head are as confused as your gender, but it sounds as if all your genders are on the Stan train. Also an excellent post! GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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Post by brendan on May 20, 2019 15:11:21 GMT
from 2010 all his 1st round picks have played n nhl besides McNeill. 2011 he grabbed a bunch of guys. has had several late round guys play meaningful nhl games. scooped up debrincat in 2nd round...
this is his 2nd year with a top flight pick. i have faith... somehow...
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Post by lari on May 20, 2019 16:34:59 GMT
I just want to be able to look at this draft 15 years from now and think the Hawks got the third best player. Not necessarily picking the guy that helps an immediate team need (a need that will not be there for 90% of the picked player's career). The third best player in every draft to date has been excellent. But the #3 pick has not always been so great. Get that third best player.
A lot of people here saying the Hawks should pick a d-man. To draft for a need! But what if there is no #1 d-man here? Byram might not be one. You can't force a player into being a #1 just by picking him high. It's like paying Bickell $16M and then expecting him to score 20 goals because he is getting paid $16M. Perhaps this is a draft where the third best player is not a d-man?
We don't know if Dach will explode and become the next Getzlaf, and Bowen is maybe Cam Barker. Perhaps Cozens will be a bottom six forward and Podzy is Kucherov. You just don't want to draft for immediate impact. All this hype around players should not be a factor in the decision, and all this "great fit in Chicago" nonsense is meaningless because that teenager will spend the bulk of his career with a different core.
It's a challenging spot this year to pick #3, behind clearly the two best players, but first among the rest. If you're not comfortable with this decision then look at 1997 and 1998 drafts and pick who you think is the best defenseman at the time of draft and then compare him to who is the 3rd best player. For example. To be sure that Byram is the guy he needs to be more promising than the guys behind him. Not saying he isn't, because I'm not going to lie that I've watched junior hockey. I just badly want the 3rd best player.
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Post by lari on May 20, 2019 16:37:30 GMT
Just don't be blinded by bias. There is a future Hall of Famer to be had with this #3 pick, and I think who they will pick will define this franchise for years to come. Beyond the careers of Toews & Kane.
Unless the Hawks get lucky again in the next decade or so...
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Post by jimc on May 21, 2019 2:44:48 GMT
Two things
1...do not draft the Russian
2... no clear cut delineation between Byram and maybe 3 f's
Do any of them have a better chance of becoming top line F's than Byram does of becoming a #1 Dman? Not convinced. Also, if Byram tops at a #2 guy, but still top pair (say Seabrook), do you take that over a guy becoming a top 6 F?
I think the odds are with taking Byram, as is the risk/reward.
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Post by Giovi on May 21, 2019 3:07:02 GMT
Two things 1...do not draft the Russian 2... no clear cut delineation between Byram and maybe 3 f's Do any of them have a better chance of becoming top line F's than Byram does of becoming a #1 Dman? Not convinced. Also, if Byram tops at a #2 guy, but still top pair (say Seabrook), do you take that over a guy becoming a top 6 F? I think the odds are with taking Byram, as is the risk/reward. Agree 100% on Podkolzin. And on Byram being the best pick factoring risk/reward. The draft lists ive seen are not settled on an order for Cozens, Podkolzin, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras and others. If the Hawks go for a forward, personally, i like Turcottes all around game. The fact hes a center also factors in. A lot of list project Cozens as maybe center, maybe wing.
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Post by lari on May 21, 2019 12:36:19 GMT
Kakko now pointless in three straight games at the world champs.
Someone must have showed him pictures of Newark.
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Post by stbhawks19 on May 21, 2019 14:45:02 GMT
I worry that the narrative will be that Stan has already drafted a “deep” pool of defensemen and will end up going with a smurf forward.
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Post by garyu on May 21, 2019 15:42:35 GMT
Kakko now pointless in three straight games at the world champs. Someone must have showed him pictures of Newark. Nuthin like Newark in the spring.
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Post by brendan on May 21, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
dude no one lives in Newark they live in west orange....jeez...
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Post by jimc on May 22, 2019 2:17:45 GMT
dude no one lives in Newark they live in west orange....jeez... Is that like East St Louis being in IL?
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Post by brendan on May 22, 2019 8:13:08 GMT
i think worse, but yes!
i was wondering how many devils players, or nets used to live in Manhattan n risk being stuck in the tunnels for an hour vs living in the jersey burbs..
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