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Post by garyu on Mar 12, 2019 19:03:04 GMT
Jonny at 71 pts, Career high is 76. Looks like 85-ish this year. Such a waste of career years from him and Kane and Strome and Cat. Amen to that.
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Post by jimc on Mar 12, 2019 21:35:42 GMT
It's just too bad they decided to fire Q this season, instead of the offseason. This is 100% a playoff team if Hawks fire him after last season. No it isnt...its still the worst defensive team in the league. They play with zero structure Its just pond hockey...offense at the expense of any dzone play...sadly, that even applies to the dmen. This team needs 6 f and at least 5 dmen.. Its nowhere near a legit playoff team. Also, no way this team scores at that rate if its actually playing to win games...they have to trade scoring chances for much safer puck possession.
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Post by lari on Mar 12, 2019 21:47:11 GMT
Also, no way this team scores at that rate if its actually playing to win games...they have to trade scoring chances for much safer puck possession. This. It's the real reason Toews is having a "career year". He's just not giving a shit about winning hockey games anymore. Just like Kane, he is padding stats. Hawks should trade them both for younger, hungrier versions of themselves. Kane's value was damn high this trade deadline. You could have literally asked any young gun or prospect and they'd just keep adding. Teams would legit kill to get a playoff legend like Kane on their team.
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Post by garyu on Mar 13, 2019 0:41:13 GMT
Also, no way this team scores at that rate if its actually playing to win games...they have to trade scoring chances for much safer puck possession. This. It's the real reason Toews is having a "career year". He's just not giving a shit about winning hockey games anymore. Just like Kane, he is padding stats. Hawks should trade them both for younger, hungrier versions of themselves. Kane's value was damn high this trade deadline. You could have literally asked any young gun or prospect and they'd just keep adding. Teams would legit kill to get a playoff legend like Kane on their team. About others, I'd believe this...But, Jonny doesn't have an on/off switch. Putting him with 88 turned his creative juices back on. He is making more scoring moves than any of the last 6-8 years..
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Post by jimc on Mar 13, 2019 2:35:37 GMT
Also, no way this team scores at that rate if its actually playing to win games...they have to trade scoring chances for much safer puck possession. This. It's the real reason Toews is having a "career year". He's just not giving a shit about winning hockey games anymore. Just like Kane, he is padding stats. Hawks should trade them both for younger, hungrier versions of themselves. Kane's value was damn high this trade deadline. You could have literally asked any young gun or prospect and they'd just keep adding. Teams would legit kill to get a playoff legend like Kane on their team. 100% correct...JT even vowed on the off-season to focus more on offense...the fact they are the worst in the league defensively and on the pk kind of speaks to this.
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 13, 2019 7:57:37 GMT
Also, no way this team scores at that rate if its actually playing to win games...they have to trade scoring chances for much safer puck possession. This. It's the real reason Toews is having a "career year". He's just not giving a shit about winning hockey games anymore. Just like Kane, he is padding stats. Hawks should trade them both for younger, hungrier versions of themselves. Kane's value was damn high this trade deadline. You could have literally asked any young gun or prospect and they'd just keep adding. Teams would legit kill to get a playoff legend like Kane on their team. There isn't a more hockey ignorant poster than you. Seriously. Watch the fucking game. Toews looks great this season. Just as good as he did at any point during the Hawks' Stanley Cup runs. He's one of only 6 players on the entire team who are postive players. Get a fucking clue.
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Post by jrsamu on Mar 13, 2019 11:57:08 GMT
JT is not the problem on the team this year by a long stretch. He is winning a high percentage of face-offs, still is solid defensively and is now looking to score (and definitely, playing with Kane and even Debricat on the PP has helped bring back the confidence).
Up until literally the last game, the defensive commitment of this team overall has been laughable, agreed. Is it system change? Personnel? A poorly constructed blue line in front of "not #50" for much of the season? D - all of the above.
You don't pay a guy $10.5 million a year to be a defensive center and not score. I want this version of #19. It is up to our fearless and, until this year considering trades and free agent signings, mostly hapless GM to fill in the blanks so that JT is in a position to score.
If this is a fringe playoff team (which it is, and as of today will be again next season), wouldn't we rather have them score than lose games 3-1 with #19 having 40 points for the year?
We can throw Gustafsson into the same conversation. Wouldn't we rather have him on the team at $1.2 million per year to drive scoring, even though every mistake in front of him (or by him) where he has to defend has an excellent chance of winding up in the back of the net?
If you want #19 to score and you want Gustafsson among the six defensemen, there are some necessary spots that need to be filled to facilitate that and have a chance to win. Stan has (finally) made some moves this year that give a hint of hope. He needs at least one and probably two more sequences like this year AND Joker has to emerge as a top 4 defenseman that can defend.
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Post by jrsamu on Mar 13, 2019 12:04:44 GMT
I'll add that all the moves so far have helped the offense. Stan has made zero moves to, in a meaningful way, shore up the defensive capabilities on the blueline. There are two or three more Gustafsson's in the pipeline. Not physical. Weak in their own end. Outstanding with the puck and on offense.
It can definitely be argued that the Hjammer trade was made to move a guy they likely could not sign last year to the contract he would have demanded. But that move created a domino effect on a team that leaned heavily on old #4 to hide a lot of other problems.
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Post by lari on Mar 13, 2019 14:23:48 GMT
This. It's the real reason Toews is having a "career year". He's just not giving a shit about winning hockey games anymore. Just like Kane, he is padding stats. Hawks should trade them both for younger, hungrier versions of themselves. Kane's value was damn high this trade deadline. You could have literally asked any young gun or prospect and they'd just keep adding. Teams would legit kill to get a playoff legend like Kane on their team. There isn't a more hockey ignorant poster than you. Seriously. Watch the fucking game. Toews looks great this season. Just as good as he did at any point during the Hawks' Stanley Cup runs. He's one of only 6 players on the entire team who are postive players. Get a fucking clue. You are free to suck the captain of a sinking ship and enjoy it, but he is on his part responsible for the mess this team's defensive play and PK are. You don't just decide to become better in the summer. He's got better linemates this season, and instead of having to drive his line he's merely a part of it. And not overly stressed about allowing goals. And please don't tell me about his plus/minus. He has career worst Corsi numbers and has a negative Fenwick.
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Post by jimc on Mar 13, 2019 15:56:16 GMT
The LAST place defense and PK are absolutely relevant.
The team in general is eschewing any semblance of defensive structure to play fucking pond hockey. JT is 100% part of that. His play in his own zone has been pretty non-existent.
His offense is obviously a product of playing with Kane...and often Cat. And that line has ZERO defensive acumen
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Post by jimc on Mar 13, 2019 16:03:29 GMT
Toews is also 55% OZ starts this year..and his CORSI and FENWICK numbers are pretty lame.
Also, He's a plus-3...yippidee fucking doo. Kahun is a plus 8...he must be better...LMFAO
JT also has the most PP goals and points in his career since 2010-2011.
He is certainly 'better' this year, but his 'career year' is doing nothing to help the team win games. His offense ciomes at the expense of his defense, and he is not driving the train on that line. AA shows similar offensive upticks playing with Kane and Panarin..
his faceoff % is still 56, but is down from most other years.
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Post by gadi on Mar 13, 2019 16:06:13 GMT
Toews has been a lot better offensively, but you have to be blind if you think he's playing as well defensively as he has in the past. He's nowhere near being a defensive liability, but he doesn't dig into corners as much and his positioning looks like a guy ready to break offensively. He is far from the reason why the Hawks suck, but let's no pretend this is "vintage" Toews. It's "older and picking his battles" Toews.
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Post by khawk20 on Mar 13, 2019 16:07:12 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time. Which is playing closer to the 10.5 Stan is paying him? That's the one we should be happy about.
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Post by lari on Mar 13, 2019 16:18:15 GMT
I don't really care how many points Toews scores, as long as he consistently outplays the opposing top line center. $10.5m should get you that much.
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Post by brendan on Mar 13, 2019 16:54:48 GMT
if toews was scoring less and playing more d. do you kids think the hawks would be better or worse this season?
id venture worse.
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