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Post by jimc on Mar 13, 2019 17:20:27 GMT
The Hawks have one offensive line...therefore Toews playing with Kane is actually a liability, because they only have one line you can match up against the opposition and reasonably expect not to get caved in.
Toews posying an offense-only role, with Kane, does nothing to help the Hawks win games. He is absolutely picking his spots.
What would he look like focusing on offense with, say Strome and Perlini...they would all be like -30.
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Post by Giovi on Mar 13, 2019 17:27:42 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time. Which is playing closer to the 10.5 Stan is paying him? That's the one we should be happy about. With the mileage on him, youre not going to get vintage Toews. This years version is playing far closer to what hes getting paid than the last couple of years version.
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Post by lari on Mar 13, 2019 18:03:21 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time.
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Post by garyu on Mar 13, 2019 18:39:08 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time. Which is playing closer to the 10.5 Stan is paying him? That's the one we should be happy about. With the mileage on him, youre not going to get vintage Toews. This years version is playing far closer to what hes getting paid than the last couple of years version. Right you are, Kenny. Even at non-Selke levels, he's certainly still the best forward D, sadly.
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Post by Giovi on Mar 13, 2019 18:56:46 GMT
With the mileage on him, youre not going to get vintage Toews. This years version is playing far closer to what hes getting paid than the last couple of years version. Right you are, Kenny. Even at non-Selke levels, he's certainly still the best forward D, sadly. Nice to see that hes still got some offensive flair though.
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Post by jrsamu on Mar 13, 2019 19:01:14 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time. Which is playing closer to the 10.5 Stan is paying him? That's the one we should be happy about. With the mileage on him, youre not going to get vintage Toews. This years version is playing far closer to what hes getting paid than the last couple of years version. This. Q continued to lean on him heavily defensively because, well, post-Hossa there was nobody else. Arguably there still isn't. And nobody else except AA was any factor in the crease since Shaw left. The riff-raff is not gooning him up as much this year because the team stinks. And other guys are filling in more in the crease. Toews bloated contract set him up to fall short as soon as the talent around him started to thin out.
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Post by garyu on Mar 13, 2019 19:01:48 GMT
Right you are, Kenny. Even at non-Selke levels, he's certainly still the best forward D, sadly. Nice to see that hes still got some offensive flair though. Using O-chops he hasn't in 6-8 years.
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Post by jimc on Mar 13, 2019 21:20:15 GMT
Can't bitch about 40 point toews and 80 point toews at the same time. Which is playing closer to the 10.5 Stan is paying him? That's the one we should be happy about. With the mileage on him, youre not going to get vintage Toews. This years version is playing far closer to what hes getting paid than the last couple of years version. Yup...agreed!
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 14, 2019 3:37:50 GMT
There isn't a more hockey ignorant poster than you. Seriously. Watch the fucking game. Toews looks great this season. Just as good as he did at any point during the Hawks' Stanley Cup runs. He's one of only 6 players on the entire team who are postive players. Get a fucking clue. You are free to suck the captain of a sinking ship and enjoy it, but he is on his part responsible for the mess this team's defensive play and PK are. You don't just decide to become better in the summer. He's got better linemates this season, and instead of having to drive his line he's merely a part of it. And not overly stressed about allowing goals. And please don't tell me about his plus/minus. He has career worst Corsi numbers and has a negative Fenwick. So he's actually playing with other first line players now, like every other 1C in the NHL? He is now being deployed like other top line centers, and that's why he's putting up a point per game? Great argument there. Q was a huge reason Toews never produced elite offensive numbers. He was deployed as a fucking shutdown center most of his career, and tasked with defense first. On a team that had an abysmal power play the large majority of the time. The entire team's advanced stats suck this season. How do they look relative to his teammates? If you can't see that Toews is playing ten times better than he has the last couple seasons, you have absolutely no fucking comprehension of what you're watching. He's almost unrecognizable compared to last season.
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Post by Pez68 on Mar 14, 2019 3:39:55 GMT
The Hawks have one offensive line...therefore Toews playing with Kane is actually a liability, because they only have one line you can match up against the opposition and reasonably expect not to get caved in. Toews posying an offense-only role, with Kane, does nothing to help the Hawks win games. He is absolutely picking his spots. What would he look like focusing on offense with, say Strome and Perlini...they would all be like -30. One offensive line? Look, another poster here that pays no attention to the Hawks. It's comical.
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Post by jimc on Mar 14, 2019 4:11:13 GMT
The Hawks have one offensive line...therefore Toews playing with Kane is actually a liability, because they only have one line you can match up against the opposition and reasonably expect not to get caved in. Toews posying an offense-only role, with Kane, does nothing to help the Hawks win games. He is absolutely picking his spots. What would he look like focusing on offense with, say Strome and Perlini...they would all be like -30. One offensive line? Look, another poster here that pays no attention to the Hawks. It's comical. It's so cute how you always defend this team....like you're actually on the team...lol. Of course you miss the point...Toews focusing purely on offense...which is exactly what he is doing...does relatively little for wins and losses...he was deployed as an elite shut down C because that is what he is...and tfst is what the hawks needed him to be. Playing with Hossa snd Saad allowed them to own the puck...literally playing keep away from the opposition...all while winning draws, checking the elite players on the other team and killing penalties. The hawks have nobody now...not a dongle line...that can or will stifle the opposition. That is why the fakes are the worst defensive team..and ok...in tye league. This style of hockey is based on playing pond hockey and trying to trade chances...but is doomed because they cant score enough to overcome their defensive and grit shortcomings. This is the opposite of playoff hockey and is purely unsustainable in terms of winning. They have no system...they oplay literal shiny every night. Having garbage goaltending doesnt help, either.
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Post by gadi on Mar 14, 2019 15:02:53 GMT
The entire team's advanced stats suck this season. How do they look relative to his teammates? Due to the wonders of math, we can easily figure this out. According to Fenwick relative%, Toews is 5th among 12 forwards who have played at least 45 games.
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Post by jrsamu on Mar 14, 2019 15:13:52 GMT
From a glass half-full standpoint, I for one did not think the Hawks would even be in this position by the end of this season with any kind of offense that would give any opponent more than an afterthought. And a power play that didn't consistently blow. Any some of the mighty mites are gone.
If the team is serious about contention (not just happy to make the eighth spot and be blown away in round one) in the next couple of years, (1) #50 has to be healthy or a near copy needs to be on board and (2) the holes identified in the JimC post need to be filled.
It is easy to blame all this on Quenneville and he certainly should shoulder his share, but so far all Stan has done this year in my mind is earn himself one more year to try to write an number of his own wrongs/contracts. He needs another one like this year, and not with 5 foot 7, no-D defensemen.
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Post by garyu on Mar 14, 2019 15:30:51 GMT
From a glass half-full standpoint, I for one did not think the Hawks would even be in this position by the end of this season with any kind of offense that would give any opponent more than an afterthought. And a power play that didn't consistently blow. Any some of the mighty mites are gone. If the team is serious about contention (not just happy to make the eighth spot and be blown away in round one) in the next couple of years, (1) #50 has to be healthy or a near copy needs to be on board and (2) the holes identified in the JimC post need to be filled. It is easy to blame all this on Quenneville and he certainly should shoulder his share, but so far all Stan has done this year in my mind is earn himself one more year to try to write an number of his own wrongs/contracts. He needs another one like this year, and not with 5 foot 7, no-D defensemen.That's not fair...Stan uses the ' 6 foot and under' plan to draft D.
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Post by jrsamu on Mar 14, 2019 15:33:40 GMT
From a glass half-full standpoint, I for one did not think the Hawks would even be in this position by the end of this season with any kind of offense that would give any opponent more than an afterthought. And a power play that didn't consistently blow. Any some of the mighty mites are gone. If the team is serious about contention (not just happy to make the eighth spot and be blown away in round one) in the next couple of years, (1) #50 has to be healthy or a near copy needs to be on board and (2) the holes identified in the JimC post need to be filled. It is easy to blame all this on Quenneville and he certainly should shoulder his share, but so far all Stan has done this year in my mind is earn himself one more year to try to write an number of his own wrongs/contracts. He needs another one like this year, and not with 5 foot 7, no-D defensemen.That's not fair...Stan uses the ' 6 foot and under' plan to draft D. Corrected...Stan uses the ' 6 foot and under' plan to draft D and contact averse only.
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