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Post by garyu on Oct 17, 2018 15:30:47 GMT
Have you been drinking this morning?
He promised to return manufacturing jobs that were shipped overseas by greedy corps to cheaper production facilities in the pacific rim...that isnt trade deals,....its simple greed...and none of those jobs are returning home...he has started trade wars with every single entity on the 0ppanet and is costing the US bigly...oh I am enjoying seeing those chickens come home to roost...he lied to the steel and c0oal belt, and its hilarious watching the toothless Appalachian fucks who voted for him cry in their meth.
how have trade and military allied been taking advantage of the 'poor' American people? that's absurdist humour.
Ford just announced massive job cuts because of the trade war with China...that he is badly losing...so many US jobs will dry up due to his steel and aluminum tariffs (hint...US cannot possibly supply all the steel it consumes...EVER...those plants are torn down and jobs gone)...plus all products that use steel will cost more...enjoy adding $5000 to the price of a new car...also, while the rich are worth trillions more due to tax cuts, the buying power of the average american's dollar continues to flounder...and wages are stagnant. The US is becoming the Wiemar Fucking republic. Oh, and would you like to discuss the deficit? or national debt? And where is the massive 2 Trillion dollar tax revenue shortfall going to be made up? Another hint...it rhymes with Medicaid...and then Cheeto will raid Social Security.
Enjoy...your country is being turned into a shithole...OHHHH the irony
You're talking about problems that have been allowed to metastasize over decades. You aren't gonna turn around this ship in 2 years let alone a decade probably. You have to slowly chip away at the problem and even then it probably will fail only because the country is so far gone. Companies will opt to move jobs overseas due to greed but then you can't allow them to ship their product back into the country for free. How does that make any sense? The socio-economic cost is out of the world due to drug addiction and collapse of the family unit. Case in point is that there was a 150 year old trade treaty with China that has allowed them to ship products to the US via the USPS at cheaper rates than what it costs a US business to send a package across town in a lot of cases. This is why on Ebay you see cheap, counterfeit products selling for 1 dollar plus free shipping coming out of China. Not only has this type of deal hammered the USPS in terms of losses it puts US small businesses out of business due to the US market being flooded with cheap, crappy knockoffs. Just today Trump canceled the treaty. Why hasn't any President since the internet age dealt with this? US Small Business lobbyists brought this up to Obama and he did nothing. This is why Trump gets votes. Militarily the US has been defending the global oil shipping routes for decades and at what cost? Do we even have a single US Navy vessel defending our borders? This is why Trump is asking for NATO members to pay their fair share. Does Canada have a single vessel in the Middle East right now defending price stability of oil? As far as your last paragraph, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. Trump is putting pressure on China because we hold all the cards. China wouldn't be resisting if they weren't getting away with murder which is why they are resisting because they don't want to lose all the trade advantages they have had for so long. China can't consume all the products its makes. It needs to sell to the US market otherwise there will be a revolution and the communists' heads will be on stakes. There is no way to replace the US market either. China has let this problem get too far out of control to win in the long run. If I owe the bank a few thousand dollars, I have a problem. If I owe the bank several trillion, the bank has a problem. The rich are worth trillions more because of Obama not Trump. Those horses left the barn a long time ago. People are gonna complain about the deficit and national debt but Obama doubled it in 8 years. The interest payments coming due are due to those decisions not Trumps. There isn't anything in Social Security to raid. That money was spent a long time ago. All that is left is IOUs from the Treasury. The SS problem has been festering for decades and was easily predicted going back as far due to demographics and nobody has done anything. America has been a shithole for awhile, but it is my shithole and I will defend this shithole until my last shit. metastasize....someone's had their Roget's out recently. Shit.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 17, 2018 15:49:00 GMT
It’s hardly about his politics, as it’s quite obvious he doesn’t actually believe in anything, he’ll just go with whatever is going to get him the most praise for his fragile ego and any semblance of good press coverage. Politics aside, he’s really just an atrocity of a human being without a single redeeming quality. A nightmare of a spokesperson for the country. Him lecturing NATO countries about paying their fair share, after he has stiffed everyone from lawyers to contractors to banks to accountants, is as rich as it gets. The alternative with the Dims is not great either, but it’s basically pick your poison right now. Can you name a President that didn't behave like this? With the 24/7 newscycle being so prominent, it's only natural. I can’t think of one that operated on this level. All indications have been that whoever has his ear at the moment is what’s going to end up driving his policy. That is until an hour later when someone else holds the floor, and the cycle continues. I find it hard to trust a man who claims to know more than the generals because he watches Fox News Sunday shows, all while dodging military service due to some bonespurs.
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Post by jimc on Oct 17, 2018 16:11:44 GMT
Dude...Trump has raped the landscape with his idiotic deregulation...Obama was responsible for important consumer protections like Frank/Dodd...nue to those...this moronic trickle down theory he is espousing was tried under Reagan...with absolute disastrous effects...the coming recession will blow away the one Reagan caused.
And China hold the cards here...the US is so in debt to China...it is quite possible they actually own more US currency than does the US...so keep printing money...that's a neat solution.
Trump believes in a trade war where US farmers can no longer sell their products to China, so they need to be subsidized with loans...borrowed from? Ya...China...hes a fucking incompetent imbecile.
As for 'prorecting'the worlds oil shipping...that's a bigh fat LOL...the US has been empire building for a century under the guise of FREEDOM...or DEMOCRACY...FUCK YA! Fuck OPEC and their dirty little cabal...let them defend themselves...Canada and the US are now oil independent...the US propping up the worst country in the world in Saudi Arabia is sickening...and trumps sick dance to absolve them of guilt in this latest episode is just sad. Canada does not believe in projecting power on anyone else...let the fucking arabs patrol their own shipping lanes...the US does it for political and economic gain...let us not pretend the US is being altruistic about it.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 17, 2018 17:29:06 GMT
If the shipping lanes are not protected, oil prices will be completely unstable. Just because the US and Canada are in theory oil independent, the price of oil is set globally so what one Arab does over there has potential big consequences for US (and Canada's) energy policy. The last thing you want for an economy is oil prices fluctuating all over the place. This instability would cause chaos. The Arabs would prefer to see oil go to 100 plus dollars a barrel because that is all their economies are based on. The rest of the world is diversified enough that oil prices are an important input to keep tabs on.
I would not have spent any blood and treasure over there nation building for the sake of Democracy. You can't force democracy on historically tribal people that actually prefer tribal rule. The reason for interest over there is the trillions in dollars of mineral assets in places like Afghanistan nothing more nothing less. You don't hear much about it, but China is also heavily invested in Afghanistan (and Africa) and it just happens to be that China is the world supplier of rare earth minerals. Maybe the heroin trade as well since poppy seed production went through the roof ever since US troops arrived there.
China is in a bad spot because they hold too much US debt. We are tied to the hip only because in order for the ruling class in China to exist as currently constructed, they need their factories to pump out crap to sell otherwise their people will revolt (lack of jobs). This isn't the like American where the population has become very placated and just takes it up the arse from the ruling elite.
Frank-Dodd? Haha. What a waste. The only way to protect consumers is to punish the bad players. The same Democrats that passed Frank-Dodd didn't even bother to prosecute a single person for the 2008 meltdown even though they held the Presidency (that is in charge of the Just Us Department) for 8 full years afterwards. Please, Frank-Dodd was created to make it too burdensome for the little regional banks to compete so the big banks could soak up even more revenue. The Democrats have become even more corporatized than the GOP ironically. The Dems today are nothing like the Dems of the Kennedy era.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 17, 2018 18:09:15 GMT
I’ll never understand the bring back manufacturing jobs argument. Maybe back 50-60 years ago it’s a good idea, but we’re operating in way more of a service economy. People don’t want to go back and work in some “clean coal” mine or pumping out auto parts on some assembly line.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 17, 2018 19:08:38 GMT
A lot of people would do that if it actually was an option for them. Instead they do drugs and run up the nation's healthcare bill since they ain't paying for it.
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Post by jrsamu on Oct 17, 2018 19:17:09 GMT
Neither Obama or Trump are/were as good or as bad as the extremes in both parties (and on cable news) drone about 24/7.
The Fed has made the transition from financial disaster to today possible more than the policies of either of these Presidents.
The environment that allowed a completely inexperienced, untested community organizer to win the election also facilitated the system to go 180 and bring in Donald Trump his all his known and continuously evolving baggage. And both of them are being played like a harp by their respective parties/significant constituencies in exchange for their re-election. We are just about completely at a point where the end justifies the means, with visibility on steroids by social media.
The beauty of the founding father's system of government is that the country can still operate despite the headwinds of each leader, not because of them. It is when Congress becomes a rubber stamp either way that we are in serious trouble. And when the parties start screwing with the system (i.e. killing the filibuster) it changes the lay of the land in a way not intended. And with those changes, what goes around comes around.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 17, 2018 19:37:20 GMT
Props to Canada on their common sense marijuana legalization as well! If only the same could be enacted nationally here, but we’re too busy fighting over which bathrooms everyone should be using. Is it true that there is likely to be major shortages of product available to those that would want to buy it through the government? Is Trudeau gonna make the ladies in the greenhouses with the UV lamps go topless? This will just drive more people to the black market which will be an unintended consequence of the law. I assume the taxes on the products will be outrageous so the black market will still reign supreme all while all the revenue the government hopes to generate will just be eaten up by the law enforcement trying to crack down on the illegal sales. This is why free markets are always better than bureaucracy. The only thing Canada really has going for them is that it's too damn cold for the homeless drug addicts to flock to their major cities to start pooping on their sidewalks en masse.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 17, 2018 21:50:06 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think you’re underestimating the amount and demographics of people that burn.
Let law enforcement focus on actual crime, marijuana has never hurt anyone. Especially in comparison to legal alcohol and tobacco products that actually can be addictive.
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Post by garyu on Oct 18, 2018 0:35:28 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think you’re underestimating the amount and demographics of people that burn. Let law enforcement focus on actual crime, marijuana has never hurt anyone. Especially in comparison to legal alcohol and tobacco products that actually can be addictive. Apparently, you've NEVER seen 'Reefer Madness'!!!
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 0:38:53 GMT
I’ll never understand the bring back manufacturing jobs argument. Maybe back 50-60 years ago it’s a good idea, but we’re operating in way more of a service economy. People don’t want to go back and work in some “clean coal” mine or pumping out auto parts on some assembly line. Agreed...and those jobs are gone forever...the whole MAGA thing is retarded...but 50 million people fell for it
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 0:45:30 GMT
Props to Canada on their common sense marijuana legalization as well! If only the same could be enacted nationally here, but we’re too busy fighting over which bathrooms everyone should be using. Is it true that there is likely to be major shortages of product available to those that would want to buy it through the government? Is Trudeau gonna make the ladies in the greenhouses with the UV lamps go topless? This will just drive more people to the black market which will be an unintended consequence of the law. I assume the taxes on the products will be outrageous so the black market will still reign supreme all while all the revenue the government hopes to generate will just be eaten up by the law enforcement trying to crack down on the illegal sales. This is why free markets are always better than bureaucracy. The only thing Canada really has going for them is that it's too damn cold for the homeless drug addicts to flock to their major cities to start pooping on their sidewalks en masse. Wrong...this will move a lot of consumption away from the black market...especially early on in the program when its novel and everybody wants to try. And equating drug addicts to pot smokers is as far off base as you can get. Its lega...hello...thats the point...law enforcement wont be focusing on enforcement...anyone with a conviction of less than 30 grams can also apply for a pardon. There wont be any shortages..I dont know where you get that from...it sounds like you're just making up reasons to be negative...or just being a Republican who fears marijuana reform
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 0:47:26 GMT
Neither Obama or Trump are/were as good or as bad as the extremes in both parties (and on cable news) drone about 24/7. The Fed has made the transition from financial disaster to today possible more than the policies of either of these Presidents. The environment that allowed a completely inexperienced, untested community organizer to win the election also facilitated the system to go 180 and bring in Donald Trump his all his known and continuously evolving baggage. And both of them are being played like a harp by their respective parties/significant constituencies in exchange for their re-election. We are just about completely at a point where the end justifies the means, with visibility on steroids by social media. The beauty of the founding father's system of government is that the country can still operate despite the headwinds of each leader, not because of them. It is when Congress becomes a rubber stamp either way that we are in serious trouble. And when the parties start screwing with the system (i.e. killing the filibuster) it changes the lay of the land in a way not intended. And with those changes, what goes around comes around. Congress is totally fucked..partisan politics has paralyzed the entire system...
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Post by garyu on Oct 18, 2018 1:16:45 GMT
Is it true that there is likely to be major shortages of product available to those that would want to buy it through the government? Is Trudeau gonna make the ladies in the greenhouses with the UV lamps go topless? This will just drive more people to the black market which will be an unintended consequence of the law. I assume the taxes on the products will be outrageous so the black market will still reign supreme all while all the revenue the government hopes to generate will just be eaten up by the law enforcement trying to crack down on the illegal sales. This is why free markets are always better than bureaucracy. The only thing Canada really has going for them is that it's too damn cold for the homeless drug addicts to flock to their major cities to start pooping on their sidewalks en masse. Wrong...this will move a lot of consumption away from the black market...especially early on in the program when its novel and everybody wants to try. And equating drug addicts to pot smokers is as far off base as you can get. Its lega...hello...thats the point...law enforcement wont be focusing on enforcement...anyone with a conviction of less than 30 grams can also apply for a pardon. There wont be any shortages..I dont know where you get that from...it sounds like you're just making up reasons to be negative...or just being a Republican who fears marijuana reform Actually a lot of Stock Market 'Experts' are pushing the shortage thing down here. Lots of profit taking today, have to wait til tomorrow to get rich. Better load up a bowl.........I mean have a beer.
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Post by khawk20 on Oct 18, 2018 2:42:03 GMT
Neither Obama or Trump are/were as good or as bad as the extremes in both parties (and on cable news) drone about 24/7. The Fed has made the transition from financial disaster to today possible more than the policies of either of these Presidents. The environment that allowed a completely inexperienced, untested community organizer to win the election also facilitated the system to go 180 and bring in Donald Trump his all his known and continuously evolving baggage. And both of them are being played like a harp by their respective parties/significant constituencies in exchange for their re-election. We are just about completely at a point where the end justifies the means, with visibility on steroids by social media. The beauty of the founding father's system of government is that the country can still operate despite the headwinds of each leader, not because of them. It is when Congress becomes a rubber stamp either way that we are in serious trouble. And when the parties start screwing with the system (i.e. killing the filibuster) it changes the lay of the land in a way not intended. And with those changes, what goes around comes around. Congress is totally fucked..partisan politics has paralyzed the entire system... We aren't much better here really. I mean, a majority gets voted in and it's basically a 3-5 year dictatorship. Until some sort of reform is enacted that allows MPs to vote outside party lines when they want to, this system doesn't work either...it's just less confusing.
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