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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 2:52:38 GMT
Is it true that there is likely to be major shortages of product available to those that would want to buy it through the government? Is Trudeau gonna make the ladies in the greenhouses with the UV lamps go topless? This will just drive more people to the black market which will be an unintended consequence of the law. I assume the taxes on the products will be outrageous so the black market will still reign supreme all while all the revenue the government hopes to generate will just be eaten up by the law enforcement trying to crack down on the illegal sales. This is why free markets are always better than bureaucracy. The only thing Canada really has going for them is that it's too damn cold for the homeless drug addicts to flock to their major cities to start pooping on their sidewalks en masse. Wrong...this will move a lot of consumption away from the black market...especially early on in the program when its novel and everybody wants to try. And equating drug addicts to pot smokers is as far off base as you can get. Its lega...hello...thats the point...law enforcement wont be focusing on enforcement...anyone with a conviction of less than 30 grams can also apply for a pardon. There wont be any shortages..I dont know where you get that from...it sounds like you're just making up reasons to be negative...or just being a Republican who fears marijuana reform grizzle.com/marijuana-legalization-black-market/
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 2:56:57 GMT
www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorado-marijuana-black-market-1.4647198Investigators with the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) focus on the largest and most serious drug trafficking rings operating in the United States. Paul Roach, a DEA supervisor, says his team spends about 15 per cent of its time on marijuana trafficking cases — a threefold increase from before legalization.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 3:08:26 GMT
www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorado-marijuana-black-market-1.4647198Investigators with the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) focus on the largest and most serious drug trafficking rings operating in the United States. Paul Roach, a DEA supervisor, says his team spends about 15 per cent of its time on marijuana trafficking cases — a threefold increase from before legalization. Because Trump and Sessions are fucking dirtbags, and are having a war between the fed and state governments over legalization. And the DEA spent a lot more than 15% of it's time and resources on pot enforcement in the past. Fully 1/4 if all drug cases and incarcerations are from pot-related charges.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 3:12:41 GMT
The black market cannot possibly grow...that is faulty logic...it was 100% of the dsupply(excepting medical) until yesterday. Today, it is significantly less than 100%.
Quality control is a huge benefit of legalization and regulation...as is price certainty. Here in ON, when the physical shops open in April, they will be privately run...which benefits everyone involved.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 3:17:19 GMT
Just one last thing on Trump...he is an absolute shitstain of a human being...how all the 'little' people have convinced themselves that he speaks for them is baffling...his entire life he has ripped off, taken advantage of or just ignored the common man. He looks down on everyone else with disdain. He is a vile cocksucker who looks down on all of us with contempt...he is a total narcissist and sociopath.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 3:38:26 GMT
The black market cannot possibly grow...that is faulty logic...it was 100% of the dsupply(excepting medical) until yesterday. Today, it is significantly less than 100%. Quality control is a huge benefit of legalization and regulation...as is price certainty. Here in ON, when the physical shops open in April, they will be privately run...which benefits everyone involved. It's not about growing. The logic for legalization is that it will put the black market out of business when all the data says otherwise. Canada will just be an open playground for illegal growers that will export the product out of the country to places where it is illegal. Canada will then realize it has to spend a ton of money on trafficking enforcement. Soon there will be demands from the US to build a wall at the northern border to stop all the illegal weed from flowing across. Trump will be re-elected for not only a 2nd term but a 3rd as well . The only winners are the drug cartels now they can attack the largest demand source on the planet (the USA) from two fronts (Canada and Mexico) with impunity. If the politicians would just be honest about legalization and say it's about generating revenue so they can spend more, I think less people would be in favor of it. No different than what the pols in Chicago tried to do with the soda tax. They said it was purely a health initiative and then when it was defeated in court, the county government said it had to cut services and fire people because there was less revenue for them to spend without the soda tax. So was it about health or was it about money? I really am not for or against legalization. People just don't realize it won't result in the utopia they are hoping for.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 3:42:27 GMT
Just one last thing on Trump...he is an absolute shitstain of a human being...how all the 'little' people have convinced themselves that he speaks for them is baffling...his entire life he has ripped off, taken advantage of or just ignored the common man. He looks down on everyone else with disdain. He is a vile cocksucker who looks down on all of us with contempt...he is a total narcissist and sociopath. No one is saying otherwise, but those kind of qualities are actually helpful for the US as a whole right now. We need someone that will actually fight and not back down. The fact that non-US citizens think Trump is a POS means he is doing his job perfectly. The last few Administrations put the interests of other countries before the US's and that's pretty much why a guy like Trump got elected in the 1st place.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 3:53:51 GMT
I’ll never understand the bring back manufacturing jobs argument. Maybe back 50-60 years ago it’s a good idea, but we’re operating in way more of a service economy. People don’t want to go back and work in some “clean coal” mine or pumping out auto parts on some assembly line. It's not about bringing back those lost jobs but creating an environment where fewer jobs will go overseas in the first place. That's what tax reform and regulation reform were about. I think it was pretty obvious the US was simply not competitive anymore on the global stage. Some jobs will return and some won't. We also are building next generation manufacturing facilities that rely more on automation. Instead of relying on the typical auto assembly line worker, you'll need more IT and engineer types. The thing about manufacturing that will always be better than a service economy is the multiplier effect. A factory might employ a few hundred people but it's the auxiliary jobs it creates that are the real boost to the local economy. A service economy really is no good without a manufacturing base. A service economy can only survive with massive amounts of ever-increasing debt since you have to pull forward all kinds of wealth generation into the present to feed it. This is exactly what we see in the US.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 4:12:16 GMT
Factories full if robots employing hundreds if people??? Lol
Good one
Another huge reason those manufacturing jobs are never coming back...the only plants being built in the US have no employees!!!!
Canada is the biggest friend and ally (and trading partner) the US has...I think you are dead wrong to think it's great if your best friends despise you.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 4:18:27 GMT
Factories full if robots employing hundreds if people??? Lol Good one Another huge reason those manufacturing jobs are never coming back...the only plants being built in the US have no employees!!!! Canada is the biggest friend and ally (and trading partner) the US has...I think you are dead wrong to think it's great if your best friends despise you. Factories full of robots still need a lot of people to work there. Tesla learned that the hard way. They built their factory solely reliant on automation and they had to start building cars by hand outside in a tent to meet their production goals in the end. But a factory in the past that needed thousands will still need 100s even with a heavy dose of automation.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 4:24:29 GMT
The black market cannot possibly grow...that is faulty logic...it was 100% of the dsupply(excepting medical) until yesterday. Today, it is significantly less than 100%. Quality control is a huge benefit of legalization and regulation...as is price certainty. Here in ON, when the physical shops open in April, they will be privately run...which benefits everyone involved. It's not about growing. The logic for legalization is that it will put the black market out of business when all the data says otherwise. Canada will just be an open playground for illegal growers that will export the product out of the country to places where it is illegal. Canada will then realize it has to spend a ton of money on trafficking enforcement. Soon there will be demands from the US to build a wall at the northern border to stop all the illegal weed from flowing across. Trump will be re-elected for not only a 2nd term but a 3rd as well . The only winners are the drug cartels now they can attack the largest demand source on the planet (the USA) from two fronts (Canada and Mexico) with impunity. If the politicians would just be honest about legalization and say it's about generating revenue so they can spend more, I think less people would be in favor of it. No different than what the pols in Chicago tried to do with the soda tax. They said it was purely a health initiative and then when it was defeated in court, the county government said it had to cut services and fire people because there was less revenue for them to spend without the soda tax. So was it about health or was it about money? I really am not for or against legalization. People just don't realize it won't result in the utopia they are hoping for. Its nothing to do with some utopia...its about common sense. the intent was never to simply put the black market out if business...that is illogical. The amount of waste that went into prosecuting pot crime was absurd...and still is in the US...your entire war on drugs has been a collossal failure...just a great way to populate your gor profit prisons with dark skinned young men. Drug cartels? Northern Wall? LMFAO...thats good stuff...good thing no weed is grown in the US, right?...who the fuck smokes Mexican dirt weed any more? And growing your own here has also been legalized...up to 4 plants...so yes...the black market will be significantly impacted...and that is one of many intended positive side effects. I am 100% fine with raising revenues via taxing weed...its a literal cash crop...consumers will buy it up as long as it us priced fairly...the black market actually helps consumers in this regard. There is so much good that can be done with the billions that will be generated...and less money will need to come out of my pocket...tgsts exactly whst has happened in every US state
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 4:24:49 GMT
Factories full if robots employing hundreds if people??? Lol Good one Another huge reason those manufacturing jobs are never coming back...the only plants being built in the US have no employees!!!! Canada is the biggest friend and ally (and trading partner) the US has...I think you are dead wrong to think it's great if your best friends despise you. There was a reason Canada signed on last to the NAFTA revision. No reason Canada shouldn't look out for its best interest just as the US should.
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Post by jimc on Oct 18, 2018 4:25:38 GMT
Factories full if robots employing hundreds if people??? Lol Good one Another huge reason those manufacturing jobs are never coming back...the only plants being built in the US have no employees!!!! Canada is the biggest friend and ally (and trading partner) the US has...I think you are dead wrong to think it's great if your best friends despise you. Factories full of robots still need a lot of people to work there. Tesla learned that the hard way. They built their factory solely reliant on automation and they had to start building cars by hand outside in a tent to meet their production goals in the end. But a factory in the past that needed thousands will still need 100s even with a heavy dose of automation. So you are down to 1/10th of your workforce...congrats!!! I dont see a resurgence in jobs!
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 4:36:01 GMT
It's not about growing. The logic for legalization is that it will put the black market out of business when all the data says otherwise. Canada will just be an open playground for illegal growers that will export the product out of the country to places where it is illegal. Canada will then realize it has to spend a ton of money on trafficking enforcement. Soon there will be demands from the US to build a wall at the northern border to stop all the illegal weed from flowing across. Trump will be re-elected for not only a 2nd term but a 3rd as well . The only winners are the drug cartels now they can attack the largest demand source on the planet (the USA) from two fronts (Canada and Mexico) with impunity. If the politicians would just be honest about legalization and say it's about generating revenue so they can spend more, I think less people would be in favor of it. No different than what the pols in Chicago tried to do with the soda tax. They said it was purely a health initiative and then when it was defeated in court, the county government said it had to cut services and fire people because there was less revenue for them to spend without the soda tax. So was it about health or was it about money? I really am not for or against legalization. People just don't realize it won't result in the utopia they are hoping for. Its nothing to do with some utopia...its about common sense. the intent was never to simply put the black market out if business...that is illogical. The amount of waste that went into prosecuting pot crime was absurd...and still is in the US...your entire war on drugs has been a collossal failure...just a great way to populate your gor profit prisons with dark skinned young men. Drug cartels? Northern Wall? LMFAO...thats good stuff...good thing no weed is grown in the US, right?...who the fuck smokes Mexican dirt weed any more? And growing your own here has also been legalized...up to 4 plants...so yes...the black market will be significantly impacted...and that is one of many intended positive side effects. I am 100% fine with raising revenues via taxing weed...its a literal cash crop...consumers will buy it up as long as it us priced fairly...the black market actually helps consumers in this regard. There is so much good that can be done with the billions that will be generated...and less money will need to come out of my pocket...tgsts exactly whst has happened in every US state The black market will thrive in Canada simply because Canada is mostly uninhabited. Canada simply does not have the resources to stop the trafficking. In CO, the black market quadrupled in 4 years the complete opposite effect of what the proponents for legalization said would happen. CO is probably 1000x smaller by sq. land area than Canada. You're right that it won't put the black market out of business it will help it flourish. Legalization provides a safe haven for the illegal growers. The illegal growers will still sell a bunch to Canadians but mostly they will grow to export into the US. You will see that Canada will spend a lot of money to try to stop the illegal growers from keeping a price ceiling on weed for a simple reason. There really is no difference between the cartel and the government trying to sell you weed. They both want your money.
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Post by Merpes on Oct 18, 2018 4:42:53 GMT
Factories full of robots still need a lot of people to work there. Tesla learned that the hard way. They built their factory solely reliant on automation and they had to start building cars by hand outside in a tent to meet their production goals in the end. But a factory in the past that needed thousands will still need 100s even with a heavy dose of automation. So you are down to 1/10th of your workforce...congrats!!! I dont see a resurgence in jobs! I only buy hand-crafted butt plugs so I'm doing my part.
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