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Post by stbhawks19 on Nov 13, 2017 16:21:58 GMT
Bingo. Stund trying to make any trade of that magnitude will only fuck this franchise harder. What would YOU ask in return for Keith at the trade deadline? A 1st rounder and a young, promising top 6F or young potential top pair D man for starters. The length on his contract may still be pretty long but the cap hit is more than reasonable for someone of his caliber.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 13, 2017 17:50:56 GMT
What would YOU ask in return for Keith at the trade deadline? A 1st rounder and a young, promising top 6F or young potential top pair D man for starters. The length on his contract may still be pretty long but the cap hit is more than reasonable for someone of his caliber. See, Stan thinks he got that for hammer with Murphy and Dauphin...hence why I don't want him handling any more team altering deals.
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Post by garyu on Nov 13, 2017 19:31:46 GMT
A 1st rounder and a young, promising top 6F or young potential top pair D man for starters. The length on his contract may still be pretty long but the cap hit is more than reasonable for someone of his caliber. See, Stan thinks he got that for hammer with Murphy and Dauphin...hence why I don't want him handling any more team altering deals. Nice HAUL, Stan.
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 14, 2017 0:18:05 GMT
Keith should retire here. Any talk of trading him is blasphemy. He's one of the best players to ever play for this franchise, is a lock for the HHoF, and will have his number retired. He's pretty much the only guy you DON'T trade.
I'm willing to bet Keith earns his cap hit until that contract is over, anyways... I don't see how you can trade him and make this team better without him, than it is with him, even in 2-3 years...
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 1:25:48 GMT
I think the suggestion was implying he would be an asset that could get you a good return, as opposed to actually trading him.
My point was intended more to say i don't want Stainley making any more "big" moves, be it to retool the team or to try and save his own ass with one more run this or next year.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 1:55:52 GMT
Dauphin...lmfao
Remember when folks were pencilling him on on the 3rd line
Another Marko Dsno
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Post by garyu on Nov 14, 2017 2:10:27 GMT
Dauphin...lmfao Remember when folks were pencilling him on on the 3rd line Another Marko Dsno Tell me Marko wouldn't spruce up this bunch..
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 4:05:48 GMT
In RFD, maybe
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 4:11:06 GMT
So...to recap
Saad for AA and Dano...FAIL
Immediate extension and overpayment for AA, sight unseen...FAIL
Panarin for Saad and the contract stan deemed too costly to sign him to originally....FAIL
Hammer for Murphy
So....hawks could have Saad and Panarin and Hammer
Oh...and Danault, too
Remind me again how stan still has a job???
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 4:26:06 GMT
Weren't 88 and 19's deals kicking in the same time Saad's ELC expired? Timing is important, but Stan still is a dumbfuck. If Saad would have accepted AA's cap hit for 2 years as a bridge, the Hawks could have had Saad and Panarin in theory but not for long. I would have let someone offer sheet Saad and then decided whether to match. Most likely it would have been a 1st and a 3rd as the comp. Fucking Dano sucked and was the equivalent of getting a 7th. Paying AA right out of the gate was retarded. 1st and a 3rd plus the cap space would have been better in the long run.
The Danault trade was the dumbest shit I've seen in a long time and then Q barely played Weise and Fleshlight on top of it. I'm thinking a Volkswagen beetle with 7 clowns in it.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 4:28:23 GMT
Nothing wrong with trading Hammer. Right move while the value was still there. The return is what makes no sense. Trading for anyone from Phoenix should be caveat emptor from the beginning. They don't run a hockey organization down there so seeing how bad Murphy is makes all the sense in the world. He's never had any reasonable coaching or player development.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 4:38:31 GMT
If you needed cap space you could have moved Crow and kept Darling for an extra $2 mil
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 4:39:26 GMT
The thing that bothers me the most is that Stan doesn't seem to understand why the squads that won the Cup did and why that matters even more in today's NHL with the new rule changes. SPEED and guys that can skate. I don't even care if they can't handle the puck in traffic. SPEED KILLS. It did in 2010 and 2013 maybe not as much as in 2015. Nonetheless, he trades Saad who is a beast on the outlet for two guys that can't skate. He trades Hammer who wasn't the fastest guy but at least nimble for a guy that looks like a lumberjack. I mean does Stan even realize with the new hooking rules, all you have to do is just get a dman on his heels and it's basically an instant PP or a breakaway.
Stan Bowman has no idea what he is doing, plain and simple.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 4:41:03 GMT
If you needed cap space you could have moved Crow and kept Darling for an extra $2 mil Crow probably becomes tradeable this offseason with only 2 years left on his deal. Back then, not a chance. Crow does have a NMC but I can see him wanting out once the Hawks are basically rebuilding.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 4:47:13 GMT
Stan has completely fucked the team with every move he has made...he has torn apart...piece by piece.. the championship roster he inherited.
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