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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 4:53:40 GMT
I'm gonna say Crow to Edmonton for Talbot and a pick/prospect at the draft. Maybe the Oil can throw in Strome who is a RFA. Edmonton will bounce back and Talbot is a UFA after next season. Crow gives Edmonton that 'ship pedigree and buys them a reasonable chance to make some noise with a goalie that's been there done that at a solid cap hit for 2 seasons. Hawks get Talbot who they can let walk after next year or perhaps sell at the trade deadline next year depending on how things go. More importantly, it clears a lot of cap when the team is going to be rebuilding which is critical. Crow waives his Stan special to go to Edmonton who looks like an up and coming team.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 5:01:47 GMT
Oh yeah, forgot about the Leddy, can skate like the wind, for Pokka, who skates like the lead singer from the Kenosha Kickers in Home Alone.
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Post by lari on Nov 14, 2017 6:20:43 GMT
Would have been awesome to have two dynamic duos in Saad-Toews and Panarin-Kane to build your top six around. You could plug in pretty much anyone in there (eg.Panik), and that'd be solid.
There probably was a chance to trade Seabrook in the 2015 summer, but instead Stan extended him. Now it's way too late.
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 14, 2017 6:35:23 GMT
Stan has fucked up, no doubt, but we also have the benefit of hindsight. There are plenty of horrible trades, all around the NHL. Honestly, Bickell having MS was the snowball that started this all rolling downhill. Him not even being an NHL player because of that horrible disease, really fucked them good. Who knows where the Hawks would be had he been diagnosed earlier, or not had MS and been a solid third liner that could slide into the top six at times...
The Seabrook contract was the nail in the coffin though. Unforgivable. I don't know a single person who thought that was a good signing when it happened. We ALL saw the writing on the wall with him.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 14, 2017 7:21:32 GMT
So...to recap Saad for AA and Dano...FAIL Immediate extension and overpayment for AA, sight unseen...FAIL Panarin for Saad and the contract stan deemed too costly to sign him to originally....FAIL Hammer for Murphy So....hawks could have Saad and Panarin and Hammer Oh...and Danault, too Remind me again how stan still has a job??? Two other notes on the Saad trade: 1) Marko Dano ended up being a key component to getting Ladd out of Winnipeg. I was never much of a believe that Dano was going to be special. But Ladd was one of the top deadline targets across the league. I'd be very curious for what type of 'future' package Dano could have been converted into. That year's team was never going to win a Cup. Dano was a wasted, but valuable at the time, asset. 2) Its important to remember Stan would have had Saad for less than the 6 mil he got from CBJ. So it's not just a case of "Panarin for Saad and the contract stan deemed too costly to sign him to originally" but it actually ends up hurting the cap even more as a result of all this vs if he just signed him the 5 or 5.5 mil initially. Yeah, other big contracts were also up. But we're talking about a team that insist on carrying 23 players at all times no matter how shitty the scratches might be. Keep in mind they went into that season with a player like Rundblad on the books. Bonus item: Stan completely botched the Sharp trade.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 13:03:46 GMT
What I will be interested to see is if another team gives him a GM job after this one is done. I don't see him as someone another team would look at as an architect to build a winner, so he could end up being one of the "most successful" GMs to only have one job as a GM, ever.
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Post by lari on Nov 14, 2017 13:37:05 GMT
What I will be interested to see is if another team gives him a GM job after this one is done. I don't see him as someone another team would look at as an architect to build a winner, so he could end up being one of the "most successful" GMs to only have one job as a GM, ever. Again, Hawks will probably just promote him, instead of firing. He will inherit his dad's office. Or Pully's. Whomever goes first.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 14:05:37 GMT
Isn't Pulford like 90 now?
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 14:08:20 GMT
Stan has fucked up, no doubt, but we also have the benefit of hindsight. There are plenty of horrible trades, all around the NHL. Honestly, Bickell having MS was the snowball that started this all rolling downhill. Him not even being an NHL player because of that horrible disease, really fucked them good. Who knows where the Hawks would be had he been diagnosed earlier, or not had MS and been a solid third liner that could slide into the top six at times... The Seabrook contract was the nail in the coffin though. Unforgivable. I don't know a single person who thought that was a good signing when it happened. We ALL saw the writing on the wall with him. Does Seabrook have MS? He's playing no better than Bickell did at the time.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 14:12:59 GMT
What I will be interested to see is if another team gives him a GM job after this one is done. I don't see him as someone another team would look at as an architect to build a winner, so he could end up being one of the "most successful" GMs to only have one job as a GM, ever. I doubt it unless Scotty all of a sudden becomes 20 years younger and is capable/has interest in being part of day to day hockey operations again. Nonetheless, there are a lot of stupid owners out there. That's why all of Stan's disciples got jobs yet all have been shitty. There is no way Stan could GM a team without his hand being held and a sippy cup on his desk. It's equivalent to Stan being the Queen of England and Scotty being the prime minister. Who really runs the country? Problem is that Scotty has probably been more disconnected from team operations than ever before.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 14, 2017 14:32:51 GMT
I can see Stan being hired for a new job after his time expires here. He receives a lot of love for how he has been able to escape various cap crunches and keep winning Cups.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
But do you see him getting hired as a full-on GM?
The whole league knows he inherited most of what he had for the first one, and caught a lot of breaks along the way with the next two...which any GM needs to do to win a Cup, to be fair.
But it's his trades trying to hold it together that I think would make other owners hesitant about trying him out on a team that isn't already basically built to win, and most of those contenders at this point have been fostered by the guys put in place there. None of those guys are gonna get moved out on because they forgot to have their lickspittle mail out qualifying offers to several RFAs.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 15:04:40 GMT
This version of the Hawks honestly needs to stay in .500 mode and not seriously contend. One decent win streak to get them back into it and Stan is trading DeBrinkat, Forsling and a first for a third line center and a veteran 5th D man "that can play in our top 4". **vomit**
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 15:24:51 GMT
Bickell contract was a joke from day 1...MS had nothing to do with that....$4 mil per year was fucking criminal for a 3rd liner.
Sharp....and Johns to Dallas? Fuck right off.
And Daley became 2 different, consecutively worse pylons. Scuderi...then Ehrhoff...and an extra 1 mil against the cap somehow out of that mess
Rundblad for a 2nd...Jurco for a 3rd...please make it stop.
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Post by lari on Nov 14, 2017 15:44:20 GMT
But do you see him getting hired as a full-on GM? The whole league knows he inherited most of what he had for the first one Most team owners aren't really even aware of what's going on with actual hockey stuff, and some might even be senile. They'll just see the name "Bowman" and 3 Stanley Cups. He'll get hired in a heartbeat, if the Hawks ever let him go.
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