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Post by Pez68 on Nov 14, 2017 0:22:06 GMT
So, assuming the Hawks don't somehow miraculously figure it out this season, do you keep Q and see how far you can fall to the bottom? Shoot for some high draft picks? This team isn't going anywhere with him behind the bench, and is probably not close to contending even with the right coach and system in place.
Or, do you can him ASAP, and get a new coach and system in here as quickly as you can? So you can prevent the young guys from being ruined, and, *gasp*, maybe even develop them into better players???
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Post by dhull10 on Nov 14, 2017 1:05:34 GMT
Q has been overall good for Chicago, say what you will about him but he has 3 Cups to his resume but his shelf life is expiring. I can see him stepping down at the end of this year for some type of front office position unless he wants to start over with a new organization.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 1:28:06 GMT
I can see him stepping down at the end of this year for some type of front office position unless he wants to start over with a new organization. yeah I could see that. Would be my preference as opposed to Stan actually firing him...although Stan going first is what I really would like to see. Let a new GM come in, Q retires to an office position, and a brand new staff is brought on board by the new guy.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 1:53:55 GMT
Kitch ate it this summer...Q has the rest of the season.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 14, 2017 2:02:00 GMT
Q has been overall good for Chicago, say what you will about him but he has 3 Cups to his resume but his shelf life is expiring. I can see him stepping down at the end of this year for some type of front office position unless he wants to start over with a new organization. I still firmly believe he was more of a product of the team. The talent on his rosters ended up being unbelievably deep. At least 4 hall of famers on his team while they were in their primes (You can say Hossa was exiting, but still close enough.) If not for terrible asset management by his superior, Q wouldn't have to worry about his team not making the playoffs. But some ridiculous things we've had to endure: - Kane at center when Sharp was always available - Not knowing how to make line combos work against Philly - Scratching Vermette & Teravainen after they were regularly establishing themselves as a very effective third line in favor of 'fresh legs' - And if you're ever looking for an indictment on Q for not trusting younger players: In the 2012-13 season, Q was ready to give fucking Carcillo the first line spot with Toews & Hossa over Saad. Thankfully, Cracillo had an injury or suspension, allowing Saad to slow in there that season. How does that season go if Q instead insists on cramming Carcillo there half of the season? I feel Q doesn't take nearly enough flack for this.
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Post by garyu on Nov 14, 2017 2:08:52 GMT
I can see him stepping down at the end of this year for some type of front office position unless he wants to start over with a new organization. yeah I could see that. Would be my preference as opposed to Stan actually firing him...although Stan going first is what I really would like to see. Let a new GM come in, Q retires to an office position, and a brand new staff is brought on board by the new guy. I worry more that Q moves and Stan gets to pick the new coach....Not sure anyone can get a lot out of what he's drafted...
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 14, 2017 2:20:13 GMT
"Fresh Legs"
Don't forget Q throwing away the cup in 2014 by double-shifting Kane after an LA icing(had already been out there a minute), with Handzus and Versteeg... LA scored less than a minute later.
This was after almost pissing away the 2013 season against Detroit with the horrible line combinations he was throwing out there...
Hawks have won in spite of Q for years. That's no longer the case.
This team is a lot more talented than they are playing right now. Seabrook and Bouma out of the lineup, Schmaltz to wing, and a 3C, and they are in good shape... You don't know what you have until you have the right coach in place. Case in point... Pittsburgh and Sullivan.
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 2:33:27 GMT
Seabrook definitely needs to sit, but I think Bouma has been fine for a Stanley special for 1 millionz.
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 14, 2017 2:53:01 GMT
Yeah hard to complain too much about Bouma and Wingels given their price tag.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 14, 2017 3:33:54 GMT
I meant to throw Q one compliment: - He has done a good job of not 'losing' the team for a long time. That's probably his greatest strength. In general though, I think most hockey coaches are pretty worthless. Most of them are detrimental to their team. A good coach does his best when he's simply not getting in the way of what his team is naturally capable of. I think it's very rare for a coach to actually make a team better than what it is. Maybe Babcock is the only one that might carry that honor. Feel he kept Detroit in the picture much longer than he should have. He was dealing with what Chicago will look like in 5 years if the cupboard isn't restocked appropriately. His hall of famers were on the ends of their days, and he still almost knocked the Juggernaut Hawks out in 2013. (But even then I feel Babcock is also overrated.)
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 14, 2017 3:36:57 GMT
I mean, just look at Darryl Sutter. That guy was a shitty coach. And still won two cups.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2017 3:54:26 GMT
"Fresh Legs" Don't forget Q throwing away the cup in 2014 by double-shifting Kane after an LA icing(had already been out there a minute), with Handzus and Versteeg... LA scored less than a minute later. This was after almost pissing away the 2013 season against Detroit with the horrible line combinations he was throwing out there... Hawks have won in spite of Q for years. That's no longer the case. This team is a lot more talented than they are playing right now. Seabrook and Bouma out of the lineup, Schmaltz to wing, and a 3C, and they are in good shape... You don't know what you have until you have the right coach in place. Case in point... Pittsburgh and Sullivan. Do you recall what D pair was also out with his 4th fucking line? For the most important dzone faceoff if that series? Fuck me
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Post by Merpes on Nov 14, 2017 5:00:47 GMT
Didn't Leddy score that goal unofficially?
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Post by lari on Nov 14, 2017 6:09:51 GMT
In the 2012-13 season, Q was ready to give fucking Carcillo the first line spot with Toews & Hossa over Saad. Thankfully, Cracillo had an injury or suspension I think he got both on the same play, which was hilarious.
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 14, 2017 6:16:53 GMT
"Fresh Legs" Don't forget Q throwing away the cup in 2014 by double-shifting Kane after an LA icing(had already been out there a minute), with Handzus and Versteeg... LA scored less than a minute later. This was after almost pissing away the 2013 season against Detroit with the horrible line combinations he was throwing out there... Hawks have won in spite of Q for years. That's no longer the case. This team is a lot more talented than they are playing right now. Seabrook and Bouma out of the lineup, Schmaltz to wing, and a 3C, and they are in good shape... You don't know what you have until you have the right coach in place. Case in point... Pittsburgh and Sullivan. Do you recall what D pair was also out with his 4th fucking line? For the most important dzone faceoff if that series? Fuck me Like yesterday... People wanted to bust Leddy's balls for that goal, but he NEVER should have been on the ice in that situation.
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