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Post by jimc on Dec 15, 2017 20:41:12 GMT
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Post by Pez68 on Dec 15, 2017 20:59:53 GMT
Jagr at 23 is a joke. lol
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Post by lari on Dec 15, 2017 22:38:20 GMT
Almost doesn't matter how high Lidstrom is listed as, he is always overrated.
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Post by jimc on Dec 16, 2017 0:06:40 GMT
Yes...i could see Jagr ranked higher...and Lidstrom was one of the best i ever saw.
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Post by Merpes on Dec 16, 2017 1:13:15 GMT
I think it's way too hard to rank NHL players as a whole. Just way too many roles and skill sets that you end up comparing apples and oranges. If you break it down by position, that's a different story.
As a side note, I'd have to go with the Daze-Marha-Dumont line as one of the best ever personally.
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Post by Merpes on Dec 16, 2017 1:17:58 GMT
Mario was clearly the best player ever. The PPG is unreal. Just could not stay healthy.
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Post by Merpes on Dec 16, 2017 1:19:04 GMT
If wife beating was a stat, Bobby would be #1. Yes! Go Hawks!
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Post by Pez68 on Dec 16, 2017 1:25:28 GMT
Mario was clearly the best player ever. The PPG is unreal. Just could not stay healthy. I agree. At the very worst, he's #2... And it's IMPOSSIBLE to rank guys from totally different eras. The game has just evolved way too much. I find it hard to put any of the players who played the majority of their career in the original 6 era on the "greatest player ever" list. You really need to split this into Original 6 greatest players, and post expansion greatest players.
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Post by Giovi on Dec 16, 2017 2:44:32 GMT
Mario was clearly the best player ever. The PPG is unreal. Just could not stay healthy. ive always thought mario was better than gretzky. didnt have the supporting cast and couldnt stay healthy, or i feel hed have proven it.
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Post by HawkDad on Dec 16, 2017 3:27:17 GMT
Orr was the greatest.
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Post by dhull10 on Dec 16, 2017 12:22:13 GMT
Well to me it's a lot about the eras they played in. Howe is one of the greatest of course but in a 6 team league there were always at least 2 bad teams the greats could pile on.It also helped for any of The Habs greats to be on such a dynasty. Mr. Hull went to The WHA and lost out on plenty of more NHL points but the way #99 dominated, he has to be #1 in my book.
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Post by lari on Dec 16, 2017 14:56:00 GMT
Well to me it's a lot about the eras they played in. Howe is one of the greatest of course but in a 6 team league there were always at least 2 bad teams the greats could pile on. As opposed to now when there's about 22 teams to pile on.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 16, 2017 15:32:02 GMT
Orr and Howe were before my time.
To me, it's a two horse race. Gretzky with his numbers and rings and Mario, who imo, was the best I've ever seen.
You can almost look at them like Jack and Tiger. Injuries keeping the one from over taking the other.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 16, 2017 15:34:35 GMT
Well to me it's a lot about the eras they played in. Howe is one of the greatest of course but in a 6 team league there were always at least 2 bad teams the greats could pile on. As opposed to now when there's about 22 teams to pile on. The O6 was before my time. How many Euros were in the league back then? I'd think that even the worst team back then would rival the best of today, but if it was only Canada supplying the talent, you can see how it'd get watered down pretty fast.
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Post by soccer24 on Dec 16, 2017 15:42:56 GMT
The other thing massively overlooked is that the way the athletes train today is much more rigorous than it may have been in Hull's day. (Or heck, aren't there stories about how they used to smoke in the locker room even in Savard's day?)
That fitness level alone makes most of these era-comparison debates impossible.
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