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Post by khawk20 on Jan 12, 2018 11:47:24 GMT
I think seeing how Stan lined up against someone doing this as long or nearly as long as he has with the Hawks would be fun.
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Post by jimc on Jan 12, 2018 14:36:39 GMT
Its pretty easy to tell if he is any good by looking at his ledger of good and bad...also, NO other GM inhetited the cup winning team he walked into...or stabbed their previous boss in the back like he did.
Stan was slso a pretty failed capologist under Tallon.
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Post by Hawksfan10 on Jan 12, 2018 15:38:41 GMT
Its pretty easy to tell if he is any good by looking at his ledger of good and bad...also, NO other GM inhetited the cup winning team he walked into...or stabbed their previous boss in the back like he did. Stan was slso a pretty failed capologist under Tallon. It's like grading Q.. Put any coach with 5-6 future hall-of-famers and see how many titles they win.
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Post by jimc on Jan 12, 2018 15:40:28 GMT
Q's resume before chicago is rife with playoff failure and underachieving.
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Post by profile1 on Jan 12, 2018 19:16:41 GMT
From today's Chicago Tribune:
“Right now, I really like our team," (Hawk GM Stan) Bowman said. “Obviously I wish we had a few more wins under our belt, but I’m very excited about this group."
Enough already. Just fuck right off moron!
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Post by garyu on Jan 12, 2018 19:19:20 GMT
From today's Chicago Tribune: “Right now, I really like our team," (Hawk GM Stan) Bowman said. “Obviously I wish we had a few more wins under our belt, but I’m very excited about this group." Enough already. Just fuck right off moron! McDLT is still making morning Kool-aid mandatory.
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Post by Hawksfan10 on Jan 12, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
Stan is the GM because he's a spineless yesman who won't stand up to a glorified marketer.
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Post by jimc on Jan 12, 2018 20:43:47 GMT
How do you think he got the job? Daddy wrote it into his contract....and he had no problem turning the knife in Tallon's back.
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Post by soccer24 on Jan 12, 2018 21:26:43 GMT
My thoughts on Stan: He's not the worst GM in the league. But he's most certainly not worth the amount of praise people want to throw at him either. It's probably hard to find a GM who didn't at least inherit part of a Stanley Cup caliber team. But damn.... Stan inherited a TON of pieces. A ton of pieces that were already established as legit players. Meaning... He didn't have to face too many decisions on upcoming prospects and if he should pull the plug on them or not. Rather than list the key pieces he inherited on these teams, it's easier to list the key pieces he contributed to those three teams: Saad, Oduya, Shaw, Frolik, Richards, Handzus, and....Boynton? Am I missing any? I think I have those ranked in order of most to least significant.
It's not an impressive list given he's had 6 years to add players. Aside from Oduya, just about all his d-men acquisitions have been shit.
The only moves I can really think to credit him as being pretty good would be his ability to trade out Campbell. ....But even that still required Dale Tallon. And I guess the Panik trade, but the Panik trade was him escaping his own stupidity.
And Stan has plenty of bad moves to go under his belt: Bickell Kruger contract Danault trade Dano trade (Not that Dano is significant, but he was an asset that helped land a bust in the player that was Andrew Ladd, who was thought to be a top pending free agent at the time. What else could have been done with Dano instead?) The Hjalmarsson-Niemi fiasco. Oddly enough, Stan's incompetence here saved him from a terrible goalie contract as Niemi was a fluke all along. (Which adds more to the 2009-10 story line where we all gave Stan huge shit for not trying to upgrade goalie before playoffs; his goalie may have ended up winning a cup but.... Was that really a 'good call' by Stan in the end? It worked, but damn, talk about catching a huge break in retrospect.)
Stan really hasn't done much to add his own mark on any of these teams. The best thing he has done for the team is wait as long as he could to not fuck it all up. If people want to sing his praises for that....well...ok. I mean, GMs are pretty notorious for fucking up good situations. Like, I don't know what the hell Edmonton is doing. That's how you fuck up a good situation. Stan didn't do that. At least not immediately. He prolonged it as well as he could.
And now that he's being faced with tough decisions, we're seeing he isn't really that great. He's just a GM that walked into a great spot at the time.
So on the note of the Oilers, I can't say Stan is a bottom 10 GM. The NHL has a truly shitty GM problem. There are soooooooo many REALLY bad ones. Stan is merely average.
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Rinse and repeat this argument for Q. Change some of the details. But he was always working with absolutely stacked line-ups. It would be hard to name a better top-3 of D-men in Seabs, Keith, and Hammer. He had the only guy in the league that people thought should be captain ahead of Crosby on Team Canada. Hossa. Kane. And his depth players were frequently guys who could play top 6 on just about every other team in the league. An embarrassment of riches. And his 2010 or 2013 line-ups especially.... You could put all the forwards in a hat, and all the d-men in another hat. Then draw your line-ups at random. Each line would be stacked regardless of how many centers it may or may not have had. The talent level was obscene, and it was strictly because of how good those players were (who, in large part, were not brought over by Stan)
Some quick lowlights: - Abandonment of Sharp at center - Kane at center - Saad at center (did this ever actually happen? I know it came very close to almost happening) - Vermette at wing - Benching his best 2015 playoff line (Vermette & Teravainen) in favor of 'fresh legs' Nordstrom & someone else (Versteeg? That can't be right...) - Completely falling asleep throughout 2011 and 2012. The depth might not have been there just yet, but the high talent made wasting those years inexcusable. And I think this is where most of the grief comes form. - Valuing Daniel Fucking Carcillo higher than Brandon Saad. In an alternate reality where Carcillo didn't have an opening season injury, Saad is turned into tradebait because Q thought Carbomb was the more valuable player on a line with Kane.
Again, Q is probably similar to Stan in a lot of aspects. Similar to the NHL having a bad GM problem, they also have a bad coach problem. Most of them are terrible. Q's biggest strength is that he wasn't completely adverse to offensive talent. A lot of coaches love to smother out creativity from their creative players. But due to the HoF talent he was dripping in when he also inherited the team, he picked up pretty quick that he didn't need to tell Kane & Toews to not play an aggressive offensive style.
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Post by brendan on Jan 12, 2018 22:22:30 GMT
Good post. Agree
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Post by Merpes on Jan 13, 2018 20:01:42 GMT
McJesus is 21 today. I guess that only gives him about 12 years until he is murdered by the NHLPA.
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Post by khawk20 on Jan 13, 2018 21:16:05 GMT
The birthday fellatio the hockey broadcasters in Canada will give him will be epic tonight.
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Post by lari on Jan 13, 2018 22:44:08 GMT
How ever does he keep his head together? Every guy and girl tells him he is great and the bestest at this hockey-thingy, and he probably gets to fuck everyone and their sister. At some point you would imagine it becomes a distraction.
I at least hope his agent has completely cut him off the internet.
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Post by jimc on Jan 13, 2018 23:48:27 GMT
Well...i know he got to fuck pez!!!!
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Post by Merpes on Jan 13, 2018 23:59:43 GMT
Who hasn't!
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