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Post by markwojo on Jun 12, 2018 15:22:20 GMT
Even with OEL apparently verbally agreeing to an extension with the Yotes, does anyone see them sniffing the top end of the cap in the next 3 years? Yes, Tavares and Carlson could agree to sign big deals in the desert, but recent history says notable free agents are not signing there and they will not be anywhere near the cap max. They have built in massive freeing of cap space over the next couple years should every prospect workout to the fullest extent of their wildest dreams. Bolland and Smith's buyout frees 6 million in cap next Summer (Panik, Kruger and Hjammer free another 9). Riebero's 2 million a year buyout comes off the books in 2 Summers.
There is a decent chance that in a perfect world, the Yotes would prefer not to pay Kruger &/or Panik 3 millionish when they can pay a ELC kid less then half that that is a player they actually see in their future where one or both of those guys are blocking a chance for a youth to play and develop. Let the Hawks pay Kruger or Panik nearly 3 million this year, let one or several of of Strome/Steenberger/Crouse/Merkley/MacGinnis get some NHL icetime, and get to pay the 3 million to Hossa in installments over 3 years instead of one season.
There will certainly be a little sweetener mixed in. Yotes seem thin with RD option in their pipeline. Maybe we trade for Faulk (or another RD) and draft another with the #8 and the Yotes have a hard on for Ian Mitchell. Panik's 3 million for Hossa's 3 million and Mitchell for a 2nd or a good forward prospect we like. Maybe the sweetener is an NHL capable Dman out of Forsling/Rutta/Oesterle/Gustafson (again maybe for a pick or young forward we like).
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Post by soccer24 on Jun 12, 2018 16:28:48 GMT
To answer your first question: No, I don't think anyone sees them pushing the cap in the next 3 years.
But if you're the GM of that team, I'm not sure how much you want to advertise that. "Trust me, boss. We're gonna be bottom feeders for a while here."
I'm just saying the sweetener will have to be a bit extra if you're looking for a team to take on 3 years of cap circumvention vs 1 or 2. But I would be curious to see a list of these types of deals and how many years were left on them at the time of being traded. My instinct is several teams unnecessarily sat on deals they made longer than they should have before giving them up, which would then lead me to believe there were some private meetings had with teams about how soon they are able to trade these sorts of contracts away. (I'm probably way off base with that though.)
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Post by Merpes on Jun 12, 2018 16:47:15 GMT
The truth is that the Hawks shouldn't be a max cap team at this juncture anyway. They are simply not good enough to compete with the better teams in the NHL currently. It's all about windows and the Hawks' don't have one so they need to stop trying to pry one open with crowbar and accept reality which is they are a bottom feeder. Really they should be thinking 5 years from now and focus on drafting, accumulating as many draft picks as possible, and maintaining cap flexibility. You got your 3 Cups now deal with the bottom end of the bell curve like all adults have to. I wouldn't even care if Rocky took home games off TV during this phase since the fan base will likely abandon the product, but this is what needs to happen otherwise the Hawks will be stuck in no man's land for a long time. Right now, the Hawks are way too one-dimensional (soft, skilled perimeter players) and their core players have played what must feel like 2 decades of NHL hockey at this point in their careers. The Hawks' fortunes going forward for the next few seasons will not be contingent on getting Hossa off the books at all. If Stan throws a decent asset to a team to move Hossa, he is a fucktard.
The easiest way back to the top is to try to position yourself for a couple or in the case of the Oilers a decade worth of top 5 picks. The difference for the Hawks is that they have the right behind the scenes philosophy to maximize talent when it is there.
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Post by gadi on Jun 12, 2018 19:14:16 GMT
Hawks don't really have an option when they gave out bloated long term contracts like Mayor Daley handing out contracts to his buddies.
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Post by lari on Jun 12, 2018 19:48:11 GMT
The truth is that the Hawks shouldn't be a max cap team at this juncture anyway. They are simply not good enough to compete with the better teams in the NHL currently. I agree with this. The Hawks are going to suck anyway. They can suck without spending to the cap. They certainly shouldn't be trading away assets to get more cap space (Hossa cap dump).
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Post by markwojo on Jun 12, 2018 20:10:21 GMT
The truth is that the Hawks shouldn't be a max cap team at this juncture anyway. They are simply not good enough to compete with the better teams in the NHL currently. I agree with this. The Hawks are going to suck anyway. They can suck without spending to the cap. They certainly shouldn't be trading away assets to get more cap space (Hossa cap dump). I don't disagree at all in what the Hawks SHOULD be doing. The reality is that that is NOT what they WILL be doing with a GM and coach on the hot seat. They will be spending to the cap and attempting to be a playoff team and viable Cup contender.
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Post by soccer24 on Jun 12, 2018 20:47:09 GMT
A danger of this past season is it will have every GM believing they can just Vegas things up and hope for a fluke run to the final.
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Post by ballz09 on Jun 13, 2018 1:22:58 GMT
I agree with this. The Hawks are going to suck anyway. They can suck without spending to the cap. They certainly shouldn't be trading away assets to get more cap space (Hossa cap dump). I don't disagree at all in what the Hawks SHOULD be doing. The reality is that that is NOT what they WILL be doing with a GM and coach on the hot seat. They will be spending to the cap and attempting to be a playoff team and viable Cup contender. Add a dash of skid marks and you have the recipe for Hot Steaming Frolik.
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Post by jimc on Jun 13, 2018 4:18:26 GMT
People advocating for panik and Kruger again?
Ok...fuck
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Post by markwojo on Jun 13, 2018 4:40:32 GMT
People advocating for panik and Kruger again? Ok...fuck I would take either back in a heartbeat if it were straight up for Hossa's contract. They can rot in Rockford to save another million on the cap for all I care after that.
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Post by jimc on Jun 13, 2018 4:53:10 GMT
The team sucks...and will for a while...no need to dump the Hossas contract
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Post by markwojo on Jun 13, 2018 13:22:15 GMT
If the Sens were just giving away Hoffman for pennies on the dollar to be rid of him, would you take him on the Hawks will all the fiancé drama?
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Post by soccer24 on Jun 13, 2018 13:47:12 GMT
What does it say of Hoffman's character for standing by all this?
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Post by markwojo on Jun 13, 2018 14:07:31 GMT
What does it say of Hoffman's character for standing by all this? Maybe he is truly in love? Agree if there is not way more to this story, he is hanging with a grade a cunt and to stupid to know he should be moving on. Maybe Sharp would bang his fiancé and do him a favor?
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Post by garyu on Jun 13, 2018 14:09:47 GMT
What does it say of Hoffman's character for standing by all this? Maybe he is truly in love? Agree if there is not way more to this story, he is hanging with a grade a cunt and to stupid to know he should be moving on. Maybe Sharp would bang his fiancé and do him a favor? Always a 'Silver lining' with you, Woj.
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