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Post by gadi on Nov 13, 2018 3:32:01 GMT
B, there's no such thing as enforcers anymore. I agree his job is to play physically, but dropping the gloves with a minute or two left against a team from the other conference doesn't intimidate anyone. And him kicking the shit out of Simmons wouldn't have mattered either IMO. If he could have won the fight. If it was St Louis or Winnipeg or the first of a home & home, I might agree that the fight would have been worthwhile. But not that game.
Jim, the proof is in the pudding. His new coach is looking for a spark to get a win and not only didn't he bench Martinson, he got more ice time tonight than any other game this season.
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Post by garyu on Nov 13, 2018 3:34:48 GMT
B, there's no such thing as enforcers anymore. I agree his job is to play physically, but dropping the gloves with a minute or two left against a team from the other conference doesn't intimidate anyone. And him kicking the shit out of Simmons wouldn't have mattered either IMO. If he could have won the fight. If it was St Louis or Winnipeg or the first of a home & home, I might agree that the fight would have been worthwhile. But not that game. Jim, the proof is in the pudding. His new coach is looking for a spark to get a win and not only didn't he bench Martinson, he got more ice time tonight than any other game this season. He did.
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Post by jimc on Nov 13, 2018 19:56:15 GMT
Looking for a spark from a guy who declined to provide one...sounds logical
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Post by lari on Nov 13, 2018 21:32:49 GMT
7 game losing streak, no heartbeat, just got shut out, middle of a road trip, toughest guy on the team... yeah, I'll just not bother getting my hands dirty. Won't bleed for this jersey.
Must have been a quiet flight to Raleigh.
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Post by jimc on Nov 13, 2018 23:35:22 GMT
7 game losing streak, no heartbeat, just got shut out, middle of a road trip, toughest guy on the team... yeah, I'll just not bother getting my hands dirty. Won't bleed for this jersey. Must have been a quiet flight to Raleigh. Fucking exactly
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Post by brendan on Nov 14, 2018 1:13:04 GMT
B, there's no such thing as enforcers anymore. I agree his job is to play physically, but dropping the gloves with a minute or two left against a team from the other conference doesn't intimidate anyone. And him kicking the shit out of Simmons wouldn't have mattered either IMO. If he could have won the fight. If it was St Louis or Winnipeg or the first of a home & home, I might agree that the fight would have been worthwhile. But not that game. Jim, the proof is in the pudding. His new coach is looking for a spark to get a win and not only didn't he bench Martinson, he got more ice time tonight than any other game this season. agree no enforcers. i disagree with 2nd part, i think guys will see martainsen teed off on someone and remmeber it. but you very likely could be right and guys just dont care/arent affected that much anymore. probably me just being nostalgic n old. lol.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 2:22:53 GMT
So how many players have you interviewed on this subject?
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Post by brendan on Nov 14, 2018 2:30:23 GMT
me ? lol 0.
i guess if im using the crystal ball, no one can say martainsen is here for any offensive reason so hes here to be physical? forecheck... fight ? not fight ?
they could find 500 guys to play shitty hockey...
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Post by stbhawks19 on Nov 14, 2018 3:05:08 GMT
me ? lol 0. i guess if im using the crystal ball, no one can say martainsen is here for any offensive reason so hes here to be physical? forecheck... fight ? not fight ? they could find 500 guys to play shitty hockey... Bingo! I’d say he’s not here for his skill level, but Stan Bowman is still the GM. If he’s not out there throwing his body around some he serves no purpose.
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Post by Giovi on Nov 14, 2018 4:26:45 GMT
So how many players have you interviewed on this subject? Ive asked you a dozen or so times through the years for your voluminous list of times a fight turned the tables in a game or series. Crickets, forever. It doesnt exist. And its not a deterrent. Fighting is entertainment. Fighting without a cause is cheap entertainment. If you want to wank about a lack of fighting from an entertainment standpoint, go for it. If you want to try to make a case that it actually can turn around a game or stop cheap shots, you dont have a leg to stand on.
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 5:11:35 GMT
Fighting absolutely CAN and has changed momentum of a game...dont be so stupid.
It also acts as a deterrent. Of course it does not and cannot eliminate cheap nonsense...but the game has devolved into rat hockey since the league unofficially tried to tone down fisticuffs...the game is far more rampant with cheap shots and cheap players. Suspensions today are more frequent and much longer. The league policing the game diesnt work.
From a purely entertainment factor, todays game is horseshit. The intensity and physicality and ill will that used to define the NHL...especially bitter divisional rivalries...are sll fucking gone. The fame has been sanitized for the protection of the noob fans who dont understand or even care about the game.
Good for you, Kenny, to sell out with the game.
As for the players, the last official poll that was commissioned saw 98.5% of the players in favour of leaving fighting in the game...so just stop with that bullshit
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 5:14:59 GMT
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Post by jimc on Nov 14, 2018 5:23:43 GMT
How many fucking times have you heard players...or even coaches...praise a guy for dropping the gloves and giving the team a needed spark?
I can believe I am even having this conversation with you.
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Post by brendan on Nov 14, 2018 8:23:16 GMT
maybe its just lip service ?? feel like there are hardly any cheap shots compared to yesteryear. besides tom wilson .
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Post by stbhawks19 on Nov 14, 2018 14:50:27 GMT
It doesn’t even have to be a fight. There’s just no hitting or physicality in general anymore in the No Hitting League.
Rat hockey was absolutely the correct term for what the game has become. Watching most of these games just feels so lifeless the past few years. Zero emotion or animosity towards divisional opponents.
You’d think getting the shit kicked out of you for games on end would light a fire under someone with any pride. Hell, I’ll settle for the annual JT fight at this point. Just give me anything that shows someone out there has a pulse.
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