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Post by lari on Jan 14, 2019 20:34:58 GMT
I am forcing you to slot Koekkoek where you think he will end up.
1. Keith 2. Murphy 3. Gustafsson
*gap*
4. [hopefully] Koekkoek 5. Jokiharju
*gap*
6. Seabrook 7. Dahlstrom 8. Davidson 9. Forsling
Ideally Koekkoek is good enough to beat Dahlstrom for a top 6 spot. Realistically he might fall in that same 5-9 d-men limbo among the rest of the scrubs. But if Koekkoek can hang, I want Colliton to use:
Keith - Jokiharju Koekkoek - Murphy Gustafsson - Seabrook
Because it's also stupid to play Jokiharju on his wrong side.
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Post by garyu on Jan 14, 2019 21:14:22 GMT
1. 4.Keith 4.Murphy 4.Gus 5.Koo-Koo 5.Joker 5.Seabs 5.Dahlstrom 5.Davidson 7.Forsling
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Post by jimc on Jan 14, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
He is better than Davidson and maybe a tie with Forsling
Thats it.
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Post by brendan on Jan 16, 2019 3:03:01 GMT
dk and seabrook look worse game after game.
gusto can play the pp I think pretty well, but looks pretty meh in his own zone. Maybe he can be paired with a better SAH guy but I don't see that ever comes to fruition with the Hawks. He's probably their most valuable blueline trading piece, so he should get probably be moving on at the deadline.
Joki like his offensive instincts seems like he should be getting some 2pp unit time. Hopefully can fill out a little bit more in the next couple years.
Dahlstrom ..agree seems slow but seems to have good instincts and hockey sense. He's big that's a bonus.
Forsling ...meh..
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Post by Merpes on Jan 16, 2019 3:45:04 GMT
Joker should not have been up this year. That was another poor decision by Stan in the face of trying to win. He should be in Rockford learning the game instead he is being ruined by being around the carcass that once was the Blackhawks defense core. Hammer is happy he gets mild winters at least.
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Post by garyu on Jan 16, 2019 4:28:09 GMT
Joker should not have been up this year. That was another poor decision by Stan in the face of trying to win. He should be in Rockford learning the game instead he is being ruined by being around the carcass that once was the Blackhawks defense core. Hammer is happy he gets mild winters at least. Needs an offseason in the weight room, bad.
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Post by gadi on Jan 16, 2019 18:38:16 GMT
Jokiharju played the last couple of seasons in the WHL. So wouldn't he have had to be sent back there, not be sent to the AHL? If the choice is WHL or the NHL, developmentally he looked like he was done with juniors so keeping him in Chicago was the better choice.
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Post by lari on Jan 16, 2019 18:52:21 GMT
Yeah, I don't think he's not ready to play in the NHL. His overall defensive game isn't good, but it's not unfixable. Right now he's a lesser Leddy. I think he actually has the hockey IQ, I mean, he's not in the wrong places. Most of the time he's right there in the thick of things - he just won't win too many pucks. That's mostly just strength and timing. Forsling plays in the same system and he is in the wrong places much more AND he loses the same amount of puck battles. And he's older.
I'm actually hoping Boqvist and Mitchell will be better than Jokiharju, and I think Boqvist at least for sure will be. But none of them really scream "franchise d-man" to me. You kind of have to toss a coin with prospects though. I think the Hawks will draft forwards this summer. Keith will have a place in the top four until he's 40. There will also be a place for a top pair d-man to be traded in, if the Hawks start their upward swing in the near future.
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Post by lari on Jan 16, 2019 18:53:00 GMT
And this thread should be merged with the Shitstain D discussion!
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Post by Giovi on Jan 16, 2019 19:40:30 GMT
Jokiharju played the last couple of seasons in the WHL. So wouldn't he have had to be sent back there, not be sent to the AHL? If the choice is WHL or the NHL, developmentally he looked like he was done with juniors so keeping him in Chicago was the better choice. Im pretty sure it was either the CHL or the NHL for him. Portland wouldve been a wasted season developmentally.
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Post by Giovi on Jan 16, 2019 19:53:34 GMT
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Post by brendan on Jan 16, 2019 20:10:48 GMT
you guys think dk could be protected with better partner? be serviceable ? hes lost atleast a step and whatever shots he accidentally snuck through the shin pads are fewer and fewer. could some of his mistakes just be a lack of a talented eniugh dpartner ?
obviously the cold hearted move and probably the right one, would be jettison everyone. there is a softspot for a hhof player having his entire career in one city. hes been an absolute warrior for the hawks for 14?seasons now. maybe you can keep him around through a few more tough seasons n have him play a #6 role on a rebuilt hawks.
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Post by lari on Jan 16, 2019 20:36:45 GMT
Interesting bullshit, maybe.
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Post by lari on Jan 16, 2019 20:40:02 GMT
obviously the cold hearted move and probably the right one, would be jettison everyone. there is a softspot for a hhof player having his entire career in one city. hes been an absolute warrior for the hawks for 14?seasons now. maybe you can keep him around through a few more tough seasons n have him play a #6 role on a rebuilt hawks. Sadly, I don't think Keith would return much in a trade. I say keep him around. Same with Toews. But Kane I think is super sexy and hot, especially when teams start gearing up for playoffs. And it would be a waste to see one of the great playoff performers of our generation miss out on post season play for a second season in a row.
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Post by gadi on Jan 16, 2019 22:24:41 GMT
It's a small sample size, but those stats seem to reinforce the general feeling around here about the D. Gustafsson is terrible defensively, but an asset closer to the offensive zone, Keith is a shadow of his former self, Jokiharju's positives outweigh the negatives and Seabrook is a fucking trainwreck whenever he's on the ice.
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