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Post by soccer24 on Oct 25, 2017 15:16:10 GMT
Stan has had a couple of these moves already. The initial Saad trade I think was the real beginning of the end. The team today could have Saad & Panarin. Instead it's Saad & Anisimov. That's....terrible. But they wasted two years trying to go for it, when there was no chance. Should have just sacrificed those last two years in hopes of making another run this year. But instead Stan pissed away more assets on deadline moves that resulted nothing. Danault would be a good piece to have right now. Would have been nice to have some of the pieces wasted on the Ladd trade. (Maybe some of those pieces could have been used to offload one of the bad contracts currently on the team?)
The Hjalmarsson trade really just ended up being a result of all the prior nonsense. He believed the team could make another run the last two years when there was just no chance. Unable to recognize that, he did what every dumb GM does, which is make a trade for the sake of making a trade. He thought he had to "shake the team up" because what other reason was there for why it was underperforming? Stan can't admit that he just had a bad mix of talent. So he opted for message sending. ....And now the defense is even worse, lolz
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Post by khawk20 on Oct 25, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
That part about Saad and Panarin being on this team together hurts my heart.
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Oct 25, 2017 17:47:00 GMT
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Post by jimc on Oct 25, 2017 17:47:00 GMT
The best part if the Murphy trade is he saves Stund virtually no cap space...and will soon be up for a mandatory raise on an already bad contract
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Oct 25, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
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Post by jimc on Oct 25, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
Saad and panarin...and hammer...and Danault
Fuck off stan
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Post by garyu on Oct 25, 2017 18:31:14 GMT
NHL's #1 GM...................
STAN 'Fucking' Bowman
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Post by soccer24 on Oct 25, 2017 18:36:50 GMT
The best part if the Murphy trade is he saves Stund virtually no cap space...and will soon be up for a mandatory raise on an already bad contract
Think you're mistaken on the contract lengths. Murphy has this season plus the next 4. Murphy being locked in (at an overpayment) for 5 years is partly why Stan liked him so much. It provided cost certainty, where keeping Hjalmarsson beyond two years would have required more money.
(Which doesn't explain why you have to trade him this past summer but....)
So there's still something to rip Stan for here, but it's not exactly as you've outlined it.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:44:54 GMT
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Post by jimc on Oct 25, 2017 18:44:54 GMT
Its a terriblr trade straight up...in terms of cost certsinty, he is guaranteed to be badly overpaying a bottom pair dman for 5 seasons....thats sweet!
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Oct 25, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
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Post by stbhawks19 on Oct 25, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
It was a stupid trade at the time, and as most here pointed out, a move solely to create the appearance of shaking things up.
This team is better with Hammer here than not.
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Post by lari on Oct 25, 2017 19:01:41 GMT
I'm souring on Connor Murphy fast. I think I've been giving him a fair chance to show what he's got. He hasn't shown anything. He's been outplayed by a never-heard guy from the Czech league, taking turns being scratched with Cody Franson and when he does play he looks shy without the puck and completely lost with it. MAYBE it's the system, and he needs another month to adapt, but if he's not "getting it" by Thanksgiving, odds are he won't this entire season.
I think I expected a poor man's Chris Pronger/Derian Hatcher type, or maybe an Ulf Samuelsson, and all I see is a poor man's Michal Sykora. A #6 d-man. And the Hawks have plenty of those.
He's still better than Forsling and Oesterling, but I expected more of Murphy. And those two suck anyway. I'd rather see more of Kempny, too. Though he's also a bottom pair guy. There's now a Hjalmarsson sized hole on the roster. Combine that with the continuing decline of Seabrook, and no wonder they are 5-5 after ten games.
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Post by soccer24 on Oct 25, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
Yep. You have Keith and then a large herd of defensemen that are 5/6 guys at best.
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Post by gadi on Oct 25, 2017 19:51:14 GMT
And Keith doesn't look so hot out there himself. I think we all hoped that because of the way he played, he could continue to be a top defenseman for longer, but I think it's clear that there's been a drop off in his play.
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Post by soccer24 on Oct 25, 2017 20:21:47 GMT
I think some of that is to be expected when you take into consideration who his partner is now vs before.
Pat Foley is always quick to let us know every time he breaks up a play this season.
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Post by Pez68 on Oct 25, 2017 20:24:45 GMT
Keith looks like Keith to me... The problem is, he's playing with Seabrook, who is fucking terrible. He is literally bailing him out every other shift.
I also think this team as a whole is completely checked out on Q and his "system". To say he's not getting the most out of his players is an understatement. It seems the only time this team looks good is when they get into desperation mode and play how they should...
Is there a reason the defense went from activating constantly, skating the puck, and getting involved in the offense, to what we have seen the last several games?? It is seriously night and day compared to preseason and the first few games.
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Post by soccer24 on Oct 25, 2017 21:11:06 GMT
Well... The defense today can't activate constantly or skate with the puck or get involved offensively. They aren't built for that. I really do think they had some fluky performances early on. Add to it, the first game or two of the season, you still have teams shaking off rust so things are a little more chaotic, which could allow room for bad players to appear better than they are (if everyone is currently down at their level.)
But I think this is the other thing. I don't believe the players are tired of Q. I think it was three games into the season (lolz) that an article was pushed out about how much more optimistic the team was this year. Total change in culture and attitude, yay!
Meanwhile, the problem is Q is trying to force the same system on a team that can't play that system anymore. I don't know what this group needs to switch to, but I think they are still trying to play like one of the Cup era teams. They lost the speed to do that the last few years. That's still gone, but the talent is also fading with it now. It's easy to say, "Just do what Vegas is doing!" Problem with that is A) Hawks dont' have the team speed for it and B) Vegas isn't going to be able to maintain that for the whole year either.
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Post by garyu on Oct 26, 2017 1:18:40 GMT
Well... The defense today can't activate constantly or skate with the puck or get involved offensively. They aren't built for that. I really do think they had some fluky performances early on. Add to it, the first game or two of the season, you still have teams shaking off rust so things are a little more chaotic, which could allow room for bad players to appear better than they are (if everyone is currently down at their level.) But I think this is the other thing. I don't believe the players are tired of Q. I think it was three games into the season (lolz) that an article was pushed out about how much more optimistic the team was this year. Total change in culture and attitude, yay! Meanwhile, the problem is Q is trying to force the same system on a team that can't play that system anymore. I don't know what this group needs to switch to, but I think they are still trying to play like one of the Cup era teams. They lost the speed to do that the last few years. That's still gone, but the talent is also fading with it now. It's easy to say, "Just do what Vegas is doing!" Problem with that is A) Hawks dont' have the team speed for it and B) Vegas isn't going to be able to maintain that for the whole year either. Gotta disagree...Hawks have been built to skate & move the puck on O, since Stan blew his way to the GM spot....They are certainly not built to break up plays physically. On the other hand, Q shuffling the deck every game can't help the guys that need repetition...And 2 & 7 look tired...and, and,..............
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