Hawks D

[Merpes]

Oct 27, 2017 14:24:55 GMT garyu said:

Oct 27, 2017 2:49:31 GMT Merpes said:

Is that the end that makes you get up 6x a night to pee?

3x, but who's counting?

Does your wife restrict your liquids intact after 5 pm?

[khawk20]

Gary is. He's comparing it to how many times he has to get up, multiplying it by the number of stds jimc has given him, and then dividing it by the number of Kane rape charges in order to come up with his own version of CORSI.

[HawkDad]

Oct 27, 2017 15:21:53 GMT khawk20 said:

Gary is. He's comparing it to how many times he has to get up, multiplying it by the number of stds jimc has given him, and then dividing it by the number of Kane rape charges in order to come up with his own version of CORSI.

Now THAT would be a formula that could be trusted.

[khawk20]

Gary's CORSI = "Cock Or Rectal Spasm Inundation"

[lari]

Kempny was pretty good. Hawks D generally fared well last night, except maybe Forsling at times.

I think the top six should be Keith, Seabrook, Murphy, Rutta, Kempny and Franson. But that's four righties, so ideally you'd bulk up the D with another veteran left shooting top 4 d-man.

Keith - Seabrook
XXX - Rutta
Kempny - Murphy

Franson can be the 7th man, sitting out most of the games. Forsling can get minutes in the Rock, and Oesterle can just go away.

What's stupid though, is that just by looking at that six you can tell they'd be much better off with Hammer instead of Murphy. Hjalmarsson could play second pair LD, and Franson could replace Murphy and not be that much worse.

[jimc]

Murphy is fucking awful...that trade was inexcusable.

Stan is saving cap space for 2 years from now...when be doesnt really even need it...GENIUS!!!

[garyu]

And you know who you are...........................G F Y.

[lari]

Hawks D-men CF% (Corsi For % at even strength)
Above 50% means the team was controlling the puck more often than not with this player on the ice.

1. Cody Franson 58.7
2. Jordan Oesterle 56.4
3. Duncan Keith 52.9
4. Connor Murphy 52.4
5. Michal Kempny 52.2
6. Jan Rutta 50.3
7. Gustav Forsling 48.2
8. Brent Seabrook 47.6

Defensive zone starts, even strength (more than 50% means more defensive zone starts than offensive zone starts)

1. Gustav Forsling 58.5
2. Connor Murphy 51.9
3. Michal Kempny 51.8
4. Jan Rutta 50.7
5. Brent Seabrook 40.1
6. Cody Franson 36.0
7. Duncan Keith 33.5
8. Jordan Oesterle 28.1

I was going to throw in Fenwick as well, but there's no point in this instance. The rank just mirrors Corsi.

So essentially, Seabrook and Keith get used in offensive situations a lot. Keith does okay, Seabrook sucks.

Franson and Oesterle also get easier zone starts (especially Oesterle). Franson does great with his time. Assumingly these two guys get easier opponents as well, though even that doesn't explain the massive difference in Corsi between Franson and Seabrook.

Forsling gets the toughest zone starts and performs almost okay.

Kempny and Murphy have almost identical advanced stats. Both have success in their roles. Together with Rutta they are the only d-men with a positive Corsi and over 50% defensive zone starts.

TL;DR: Keith gets used as an offensive zone guy only, Seabrook sucks, Kempny, Rutta, Murphy are various levels of mediocre, Forsling plays minutes that are too tough for him,Franson does well in his limited role, and Q doesn't trust Oesterle at all.

[khawk20]

Maybe the biggest problem with the D is Keith only getting O-Zone starts. In the D zone faceoffs if he got the puck it was usually almost a money clear out/transition...but if he can't do that now, and the slack isn't being picked up, that's a huge contributor to the own-zone-clown car they have going on at points almost every game.

Keith's decline is really a disaster for that bunch. 

[Merpes]

Doesn't help much when only Toews wins faceoffs at slightly above 50 %. If Schmaltz goes 2 for 10, that's a good night for him.

[garyu]

Nov 16, 2017 14:46:52 GMT Merpes said:

Doesn't help much when only Toews wins faceoffs at slightly above 50 %. If Schmaltz goes 2 for 10, that's a good night for him.

Can't believe Toews has FO stats...Seems like he's tossed every draw...He's nowhere near as aggressive at the dot this year.

[Pez68]

Just goes to show how fucking horribly Q manages this roster... Arguably their best offensive defenseman, and a guy with less than 60 NHL games under his belt, has the highest defensive zone starts on the team... Their Norris winner is almost never being put out in the defensive zone...

Franson playing with Keith is a fucking joke, as well. Maybe you could put him out in the defensive zone if he wasn't playing with a fucking pylon every shift. Why has Keith been tied to the hip of Seabrook and Franson all season? They are hands down this team's worst defenders. Is Q hoping Keith can mask all of their deficiencies? All it is doing is making Keith play like shit too...because those guys just can't be covered for without a Hossa level winger out there on their side of the ice, picking up the slack. It is amazing how much Hossa helped the D on the right side over the years. He is missed greatly in that regard.

Keith/Murphy
Forsling/Rutta
Kempny/Seabrook

I'm not really sure what's so hard about that... Franson and Seabrook just can't skate well enough to compete anymore, and it's killing the Hawks. They should be your 6/7 at this point. Instead we have Murphy playing on his fucking off side, and Kempny sitting in the press box... The NHL has moved towards speed, speed, speed, and you have two guys that were below average skaters, at their best, in the lineup every night.

[jimc]

They all pretty much suck...its pathetic

[Pez68]

How do you know who sucks at this point and who doesn't? The defense's deployment has been fucking awful. Not a single guy is being played to his strengths, being put in a position to succeed, or playing the minutes they should be playing... with the guy they fit best with...

You have a 21 year old rookie taking the bulk of the D-zone starts... You have him paired with a guy playing his first season in the NHL... You have a young defenseman in his first season on a real NHL franchise, playing on the wrong fucking side of the ice... with your worst defenseman. You have your best defenseman playing with a #6/7 PP specialist who can't skate... You have your worst defenseman logging 20+ minutes a night...

Then you have a coach who prefers you let guys stand around in front of the net, and have an active stick, as opposed to clearing the crease... Pretty much the exact opposite of what you're taught your entire life as a defenseman.

To add to all of this, you have a ton of young forwards up front learning how to defend at the NHL level. In a shitty, passive, let guys fire the puck from the point system... that they've probably never seen before this team.

This team's defensive system is a fucking abortion and it is no surprise the Hawks are giving up so many goals. Your wingers are collapsing down low, leaving the points wide open most of the time. They're not blocking shots... and the defense is actively discouraged from clearing the front of the net...

[jimc]

Can you describe the PP for me?