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Post by khawk20 on Nov 16, 2017 18:00:54 GMT
Can you describe the PP for me? There's a thread for that isn't there?
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Nov 16, 2017 18:01:45 GMT
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Post by jimc on Nov 16, 2017 18:01:45 GMT
Oh...right...
Bloody cancer shits
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 16, 2017 18:02:15 GMT
JWhy has Keith been tied to the hip of Seabrook and Franson all season? They are hands down this team's worst defenders. Is Q hoping Keith can mask all of their deficiencies? That's exactly why. And Keith is showing the strain from it. A lot.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 16, 2017 19:10:32 GMT
I'm really not sure that it would be any better if someone else was there instead. Murphy will be just as bad. I'll blame Q for lots of things. But I don't see a winning strategy with that group of defensemen.
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Post by garyu on Nov 16, 2017 19:30:06 GMT
I'm really not sure that it would be any better if someone else was there instead. Murphy will be just as bad. I'll blame Q for lots of things. But I don't see a winning strategy with that group of defensemen. The D-group is, is, is not good.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
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Post by lari on Nov 16, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
I feel there's better depth than with Campbell/Oduya etc, but the actual core, or rather what used to be the actual core, is either sucking, underachieving or playing in Arizona.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
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Post by Pez68 on Nov 16, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
Seabrook being barely a 3rd pairing dman, and Q failing to recognize it, is the single biggest problem with the defense. He and Franson should be spelling each other, with Kempny playing regularly.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:54:34 GMT
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Post by jimc on Nov 16, 2017 19:54:34 GMT
Not one if these guys is as 'solid' as soup or oduya last year...that is pathetic.
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Post by Hawksfan10 on Nov 16, 2017 20:50:50 GMT
Maybe the fact that Stan traded the team's best actual DEFENSEMAN for a pile of "healthy scratch" beans has a lot to do with it??!??
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Post by garyu on Nov 16, 2017 20:53:02 GMT
Maybe the fact that Stan traded the team's best actual DEFENSEMAN for a pile of "healthy scratch" beans has a lot to do with it??!?? STAN BOWMAN IS THE #1 GM.
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Nov 16, 2017 21:17:56 GMT
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Post by khawk20 on Nov 16, 2017 21:17:56 GMT
Not one if these guys is as 'solid' as soup or oduya last year...that is pathetic. As shitty as they were last go round, they as vets did at least think the game at a level the kids can't yet, just from experience and playing volume over the years. Add some familiarity built in with the core forwards and that masked their inherent shittyness to a degree. the new group has no such experience to fall back on, so the results are...not usually good. They are not worse than soupy and Oduya, they just don't know how to mask their shortcomings like those two did.
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Post by soccer24 on Nov 16, 2017 22:16:08 GMT
That sounds like worse.
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Post by garyu on Nov 17, 2017 3:26:38 GMT
Not one if these guys is as 'solid' as soup or oduya last year...that is pathetic. As shitty as they were last go round, they as vets did at least think the game at a level the kids can't yet, just from experience and playing volume over the years. Add some familiarity built in with the core forwards and that masked their inherent shittyness to a degree. the new group has no such experience to fall back on, so the results are...not usually good. They are not worse than soupy and Oduya, they just don't know how to mask their shortcomings like those two did. I dream of Hawks having actual good D-men like before, cause this is a Chinese fire drill.
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Post by chitownjeff on Nov 17, 2017 3:43:51 GMT
I hope Campbell is staying in shape, he'll be needed by the end LOL
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Post by Merpes on Nov 17, 2017 17:16:20 GMT
Stan's problem is that guys like Dahlstrom, Norell, Fournier, and Paliotta have been complete busts or are developing way to slow. To make matters worse, the only two guys that were drafted in the last few years that are decent NHL talent like Johns and Dahlbeck were traded. Then, guys he traded for like Pokka haven't done poop either. This problem is actually rather expected given the lack of development of younger dmen in the Hawks' cupboard. It was only until last draft that Stan took a dman in the 1st round. Last time that happened was in 2009 with Dylan Olsen nearly 10 years ago now.
Btw, the Hawks don't even have a 2nd round pick in the upcoming draft.
Stan is the best.
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