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Post by jimc on Aug 1, 2020 2:40:24 GMT
ya...no
Sweden's model was an absolute failure
almost Trumpian
Wrong! They failed...way too many infections and deaths for a population that small.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 3:15:04 GMT
The idea is to let the virus run its course not bottle it up. That’s how you get what the media will claim as second, third, etc. waves when really it’s still the first one. Those that died were unfortunately already compromised and any number of diseases would have done the same.
Keeping people in a bubble actually weakens our immune system. Our immune systems need to sense and respond. We are setting ourselves up for bigger problems down the road when you shut down this mechanism. It’s why new school teachers get sick a lot the first year or two and then rarely get sick. This Fauci guy should have been fired months ago. That’s where Trump is making mistakes.
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Post by gadi on Aug 1, 2020 3:49:21 GMT
First of all, everyone doesnt have to get Covid. Keep in mind that herd immunity is likely around 75% or so. Even if you assume that there have been 10x the number of reported cases did to asymptomatic carriers, that means we'd have less than 50 million who have gotten in in the US. Even assuming all of them were now immune, that would mean we are still WAY short of herd immunity. Considering that even in states now with a much lower average age for newly infected are still seeing record deaths, after you sure we should go for herd immunity? How many people are you willing to die?
Here's a better idea. If all the assholes out there would just wear a mask & socially distance smartly instead of the "But Muh Freedom!" shit, we can have the economy function AND not have hundreds of thousands more dead.
Second, people aren't dying in fucking motorcycle crashes and getting tagged as Covid deaths, so fuck off with that bullshit. I knew two guys, one in his 30s and one in his 40s who were healthy and are now dead from Covid. Don't come at me with bullshit just because you are lucky enough to not have it hit close to home.
Third, heart problems caused by Hydroxychloroquine had always been a known serious side effect. That's why not all patients with lupus or malaria are treated with it. Doctors examine things on a case by case basis, which is why HCQ is still being used in most hospitals sometimes for Covid patients. Because sometimes, it's the best option. But-and this is key-it's not a miracle cure at all. And people treating it as such are fucking idiots. Any doctor who claims it is always the best choice is a quack at best, or negligent at worst.
The fact is, there are a number of different treatments that sometimes work well to help hospitalized Covid patients. HCQ, Rendesiver, and Dexamethasone are three potential options. But again, doctors have to decide on a case by case basis.
And that Fauci guy has been an expert on pandemics for over 40 years. It's great to see people with PhDs in "I saw it on Facebook" who are suddenly shitting on him. Am I going to tell you he's always right? No, because I'm not an infectious disease expert. I haven't seen a single one of those who have called him out. Just the nutjobs and the scam artists looking to make their own buck off the easily duped.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
In the US about 8000 people die a day many of which are likely avoidable so should we have shutdown the country pre-COVID too?
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 8:18:12 GMT
Actually there have been many deaths wrongly attributed to COVID. There is a financial benefit for hospitals to do this as the Feds pay them for each case. No oversight in government of course means fraud and abuse is a given. Someone was also tracking tests done at labs and some have only reported positive cases. That’s impossible. No doubt the numbers are inflated. I also remember some African country sending the WHO papaya among other fake samples and they all came back positive.Obviously that was buried in the news. Maybe there isn’t anything nefarious going on but then the test is completely unreliable.
No doubt the virus is real and people are dying from it, but it’s not any worse than a flu. I also remember during the Obama years that there was a Swine flu outbreak in the US and no one claimed the sky was falling back then.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 8:22:45 GMT
As far as HCQ, in most States you can’t even get it filled at the pharmacy if a doctor prescribes it. It’s blacklisted right now. It’s really not an available treatment option for this reason. It’s not a magic bullet and it’s only effective early on in an infection. The fact it only costs pennies is an issue obviously.
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Post by stbhawks19 on Aug 1, 2020 13:13:43 GMT
Lol the hack “trade advisor” from the regime was just on air this week saying the WH is sitting on “millions of doses” of HCQ.
The fact that the former host of celebrity apprentice has been hawking this for months now (and actually knows how to pronounce it!), tells me that he either has a direct financial interest in getting this distributed mainstream, or one of his mega donors does. It’s always a quid pro quo right out in the open with him.
How quickly everyone forgets he had to settle a $25M fraud lawsuit before taking office.
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Post by Giovi on Aug 1, 2020 14:59:13 GMT
First of all, everyone doesnt have to get Covid. Keep in mind that herd immunity is likely around 75% or so. Even if you assume that there have been 10x the number of reported cases did to asymptomatic carriers, that means we'd have less than 50 million who have gotten in in the US. Even assuming all of them were now immune, that would mean we are still WAY short of herd immunity. Considering that even in states now with a much lower average age for newly infected are still seeing record deaths, after you sure we should go for herd immunity? How many people are you willing to die? Here's a better idea. If all the assholes out there would just wear a mask & socially distance smartly instead of the "But Muh Freedom!" shit, we can have the economy function AND not have hundreds of thousands more dead. Second, people aren't dying in fucking motorcycle crashes and getting tagged as Covid deaths, so fuck off with that bullshit. I knew two guys, one in his 30s and one in his 40s who were healthy and are now dead from Covid. Don't come at me with bullshit just because you are lucky enough to not have it hit close to home. Third, heart problems caused by Hydroxychloroquine had always been a known serious side effect. That's why not all patients with lupus or malaria are treated with it. Doctors examine things on a case by case basis, which is why HCQ is still being used in most hospitals sometimes for Covid patients. Because sometimes, it's the best option. But-and this is key-it's not a miracle cure at all. And people treating it as such are fucking idiots. Any doctor who claims it is always the best choice is a quack at best, or negligent at worst. The fact is, there are a number of different treatments that sometimes work well to help hospitalized Covid patients. HCQ, Rendesiver, and Dexamethasone are three potential options. But again, doctors have to decide on a case by case basis. And that Fauci guy has been an expert on pandemics for over 40 years. It's great to see people with PhDs in "I saw it on Facebook" who are suddenly shitting on him. Am I going to tell you he's always right? No, because I'm not an infectious disease expert. I haven't seen a single one of those who have called him out. Just the nutjobs and the scam artists looking to make their own buck off the easily duped. Standing o. The voice of common sense.
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Post by Giovi on Aug 1, 2020 15:04:01 GMT
Actually there have been many deaths wrongly attributed to COVID. There is a financial benefit for hospitals to do this as the Feds pay them for each case. No oversight in government of course means fraud and abuse is a given. Someone was also tracking tests done at labs and some have only reported positive cases. That’s impossible. No doubt the numbers are inflated. I also remember some African country sending the WHO papaya among other fake samples and they all came back positive.Obviously that was buried in the news. Maybe there isn’t anything nefarious going on but then the test is completely unreliable. No doubt the virus is real and people are dying from it, but it’s not any worse than a flu. I also remember during the Obama years that there was a Swine flu outbreak in the US and no one claimed the sky was falling back then. The average death rate for the seasonal flu is below 0.1% The current death rate for covid is 3 to 4% Where in the hell are you getting your information??
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Post by gadi on Aug 1, 2020 15:10:14 GMT
Now you are just spouting nonsensical bullshit. I am 100% for the country being open, as I said. If everyone wears masks & socially distance when necessary, then we'd be all be open, we'd have our schools open close to normal etc. But too many Americans are selfish assholes and don't give a shit about businesses & safety, so they go around spreading disease and not caring that they are putting other people's lives & livelihoods in danger. It's that simple. Just wear a mask or pack into a small space. How hard is that really? Jeebus. you are bringing up bullshit from months ago. Hospitals are NOT being incentivized to say deaths are by Covid. Medicare rates were set in one of the relief bills from Congress so that hospitals knew what to bill Medicare when they had Covid patients. There's nothing nefarious about that, especially because the rate was the same as other respiratory deaths. But even if you think a small number of Covid deaths are being misattributed, look at the chart at the bottom of this webpage and explain where all those extra deaths are coming from: www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htmHCQ is NOT blacklisted, because there's no such thing. It wasn't available for a while because people started to get prescriptions filled when Trump touted it as a miracle drug and then several jurisdictions (including our fed government, Florida & Brazil) ordered millions of dosages, so production had to be ramped up in factories to meet the demand. It has always been available at hospital pharmacies for emergency care and today, if your doctor gives you a prescription, you can pick it up at Osco if you need it. There have been a small number of cases where prescriptions aren't being filled to individuals, but again, that's more related to supply & availability & it has nothing to do with it being used in hospitals when doctors decide it's the best treatment for a specific patient. If you think this is comparable to the flu, then there's nothing else to say. Nor bringing up the swine flu, which was obviously not as dangerous since less than 13,000 people died in the US of it & we are well past 150,000 already with no end in sight. I don't give a shit about Obama or Trump or anything because this shouldn't be political. People are getting sick & dying at rates that we haven't seen in 100 years, so we should be working together to mitigate it as much as possible. Think it's not that bad? First of all, fuck off. As I said, I've seen people I know and care about die from it in a way that never happened from flu. Lucky for you that you haven't. But even still. It doesn't hurt you in the slightest to just wear a goddamn mask and be safe when necessary. That way we can all fucking win & have sports & the economy & schools open & cherry on the fucking top, less deaths. It's really that simple.
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Post by lari on Aug 1, 2020 16:42:29 GMT
It dies off quickly if infected people just don't give it to anyone else.
Herd immunity is not going to happen. Just like the flu that it is, you can keep getting variatons of it until you die. And just like the flu, if you keep getting exposed to it, you need a shot to keep it away for the season.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 17:11:11 GMT
There is no evidence that masks do anything. They are likely causing the infection spread since people are touching their face more frequently and wearing them improperly in the first place.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 17:11:49 GMT
It dies off quickly if infected people just don't give it to anyone else. Herd immunity is not going to happen. Just like the flu that it is, you can keep getting variatons of it until you die. And just like the flu, if you keep getting exposed to it, you need a shot to keep it away for the season. Not when you have Typhoid Gary’s running around.
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Post by lari on Aug 1, 2020 18:06:30 GMT
There is no evidence that masks do anything. They are likely causing the infection spread since people are touching their face more frequently and wearing them improperly in the first place. Yeah, I'm not buying into the mask hype. I would, however, very much like to parade around in a Spider-Man outfit in public, so if face masks are at some point made mandatory in Finland, I'd immediately make the most of it.
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 1, 2020 18:23:11 GMT
I like the masks. If I'm at the grocery store or out someplace else and cross paths with some annoying cunt I don't want to talk to, good chance they won't recognize me and I'm off the hook. It's happened more than once already. For the anonymity, I am 100 percent in!
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