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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 18:57:32 GMT
I thought you already had a face only a mother could love. Shouldn’t be a problem for people trying to avoid you.
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Post by brendan on Aug 1, 2020 19:48:34 GMT
Why? Every article on bbc today is a spike in cases, including the 'poster child' for success in hong kong. England, germany, spain etc... All the places mentioned are imo much more prone to listening, doing the right thing. Usa certainly isnt. All the masks n distance isnt going to fix this. Heck a vaccine might not in the usa. Herd immunity might not either. Everyone is going to get infected it’s just a matter if you slow roll it or take it head on. Many will get infected and never even know. I’d rather take it head on and not shut down my economy. There are already studies showing the lockdowns have increased suicide, domestic abuse, etc. Is it really worth it? The other aspect is you can’t trust the numbers when people dying in motorcycle accidents are being classified as COVID deaths. When you have a drug like HCQ that has been used for over 5 decades and all of a sudden it’s dangerous now that raises huge flags for me. No way I’m going to take some rushed to market vaccine. Intentional poker reference ?!?! slow roll ?!?! lol
I totally agree, and with respect to both sides. the suicide/drinking/domestic issues are very real (im' personally experiencing all the them) it's really ignored by the "woke" left ignores. I conceede the "woke" right is trying to pretend it's a plot to dethrone trump and all this other shit... Just makes no one listen and everyone waive their hands saying "i'm right i'm right"
I, H A T E Trump! i hate the way he's just throwing his best guys under the bus. I hate the fact no one is impartial seemingly in office or in control of anything. Sucks.
I just don't see USA#1 staying in long enough to close the virus down. I definitely don't see it being truly effective world wide...Not that I want to see anyone die. Or think money is more important than life.
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Post by brendan on Aug 1, 2020 19:54:50 GMT
Lol the hack “trade advisor” from the regime was just on air this week saying the WH is sitting on “millions of doses” of HCQ. The fact that the former host of celebrity apprentice has been hawking this for months now (and actually knows how to pronounce it!), tells me that he either has a direct financial interest in getting this distributed mainstream, or one of his mega donors does. It’s always a quid pro quo right out in the open with him. How quickly everyone forgets he had to settle a $25M fraud lawsuit before taking office. has to be true right? I feel the same way. Feel like everything he's done the last four years has benefited him first and "murica" if by accident.
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Post by gadi on Aug 1, 2020 20:01:30 GMT
There is no evidence that masks do anything. They are likely causing the infection spread since people are touching their face more frequently and wearing them improperly in the first place. Are you even reading what you wrote? How would wearing a mask improperly make the infection spread worse? Covid mainly spreads through breath. It's why super spreaders have been found in churches with choirs, for example. It stands to reason that if you block your breath, less (not all, but less) virus can spread to others. Of course, people touching their faces without washing their hands spreads it. As does people who can't wear their masks properly. But again, and this is important, the BEST WAY TO OPEN EVERYTHING UP IS IF PEOPLE JUST FUCKING WEAR A MASK AND SOCIALLY DISTANT. If you've decided you don't care to do that, stop complaining when things keep closing down again and again. No one is asking you to do anything difficult. Plenty of professions require people to wear masks all day, no reason you can't for a few minutes when you go to the pharmacy to get anal worts medication.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 20:42:49 GMT
The mask can stop droplets but if you’re not wearing it properly that’s not going to help. At the same time, people are unnecessarily touching their face to adjust their mask. I don’t care if people are spreading droplets everywhere. I’d rather not have the urge to touch my face because my mask needs to be adjusted or it’s irritating.
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Post by brendan on Aug 1, 2020 21:25:14 GMT
Where do we draw the line at masks? do we wear them forever ? if a mask saves lives now, it HAS to save lives always. Do we stop at 500 lives ? 5,000, 5 ? If you were to kill my 30 year old friend or my grandmother, if the next airborne disease coupled with some carelessness or accident asymptomatic infection kills a kid ? a brother?
This isn't an attack a gotcha or anything it's just a question. As someone who's been masked up since march 10th anytime i go outside. I'm not in the FREEDOM! baby camp. i'm in the i'm not sure where we draw the line between ripping the band aid off and letting things play out vs trying to stop death.
to be super clear, just asking no malice .
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Post by gadi on Aug 1, 2020 22:16:53 GMT
I imagine that it'll be suggested to wear a mask until a vaccine is readily available. Just like we don't need to wear a mask during flu season, because many people get a fluvaccine every year.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 1, 2020 22:39:20 GMT
Pharma is getting liability shielding so take their unproven vaccine and can’t sue them for any side effects. Vaccine will be a non-factor since no one will take it and there will be massive problems if the government mandates it.
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 1, 2020 23:00:15 GMT
Love to hear from Stuy on this.
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Post by gadi on Aug 2, 2020 0:26:52 GMT
Just to be clear, you want herd immunity, but not by the easiest way, a vaccine. You aren't worried about deaths caused by Covid or the long term effects on people who get it (like the Red Sox pitcher whose heart problems mean he likely will never play again) or the known side effects of HCQ, but any potential side effects of a vaccine would be a bridge too far and not worth the risk? Ok, got it.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 2, 2020 0:55:14 GMT
It’s a coronavirus any vaccine will be no more effective than the flu shot. If they want to develop a vaccine the right way and do the proper and lengthy clinical studies, I’m all ears. This rush it to market buy liability shielding from Congress means they don’t even trust their own work.
Getting infected with COVID is far less risky, IMO.
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Post by Merpes on Aug 2, 2020 9:23:46 GMT
If you look at the breakdown of deaths, it’s all concentrated in the 70+ age bracket. Nursing homes have been hit the hardest. Obese people are twice as likely to die as well which makes perfect sense if you have too much weight on your chest cavity. Like I said, we should take the necessary precautions to protect high risk populations, but to shut down everything is completely unnecessary and doing more harm than good. All the small businesses that have been absolutely crushed will never recover and many will be gone forever. These are people’s livelihoods we are talking about. This doesn’t even factor in the measures being taken by the government to “counter” their own decisions to kneecap GDP that will end up making more people fall into poverty due to destruction of the US dollar.
The best way to herd immunity for a respiratory illness is to let the body do its own thing. A vaccine is better suited to things like polio, etc. If the government would be honest with what this actually is (bioweapon?) then maybe I would change my tune. Otherwise, it’s just a bad virus that we will have to deal with every year no different than the flu. As time passes, the virus naturally mutates to be more infectious but less deadly since a virus wants to keep its host alive not kill it. No different than a young snake not knowing how to control its venom.
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Post by brendan on Aug 2, 2020 10:21:23 GMT
I imagine that it'll be suggested to wear a mask until a vaccine is readily available. Just like we don't need to wear a mask during flu season, because many people get a fluvaccine every year. Preface: love ya dude. Not trying to be a douche. But if you, we? Are acceptable with deaths via flu why not now? Where is the line in acceptable deaths? Im sure idk. But im curious what level headed people feel? If not wearing a mask kills 1? 1,000? 10,000? Is there an acceptable casualty number? Im not against masks, just figuring the line in sand.
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Post by khawk20 on Aug 2, 2020 13:55:39 GMT
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Post by gadi on Aug 2, 2020 15:22:33 GMT
I imagine that it'll be suggested to wear a mask until a vaccine is readily available. Just like we don't need to wear a mask during flu season, because many people get a fluvaccine every year. Preface: love ya dude. Not trying to be a douche. But if you, we? Are acceptable with deaths via flu why not now? Where is the line in acceptable deaths? Im sure idk. But im curious what level headed people feel? If not wearing a mask kills 1? 1,000? 10,000? Is there an acceptable casualty number? Im not against masks, just figuring the line in sand. who said I thought the number of flu deaths every year is ok? Less than half of adults get flu vaccines and it's terrible because it isn't only about the people getting the vaccine, it's about protecting others. I can't tell you where a line in the sand is, that's up to every person individually. I'd love for us to be near where NZ is-no masks needed, life back to normal because people actually listened and partnered with the government to prevent additional outbreaks. I recognize that would never happen here, but if we all do what I think is least intrusive, bare minimum, which is wearing a mask properly, I believe that almost everything would be back open, including schools, casinos etc. Would that mitigate all deaths? Likely not. But I can't tell you when you should feel better about taking your mask off. That's up to you. I would find it hard to think that that time is now though.
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